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    Mascherano & westham

    Thought it was worth an appearance:

    Not playing Javier Mascherano and then selling him could go down as one of the biggest mistakes in Premiership history. A decision like that makes it easy to see why West Ham find themselves in a relegation battle.

    Javier Mascherano was totally frozen out at West Ham, first by Alan Pardew and then by Alan Curbishley. How did two seemingly intelligent managers deemed him not good enough to play for the Hammers? Maybe this is one reason for their club's demise.

    I could have understood Mascherano being frozen out if he was sloppy in training or just was not putting the effort in. But after getting clearance to play for Liverpool, manager Rafael Benitez gave him his debut at the first opportunity four days later against Sheffield United. So Benitez must have thought he was fit enough to play.

    A lot more happened at West Ham than we know. Pardew had two players brought into the squad that he knew absolutely nothing about; the fact that the two players spoke no English did not help. Mascherano was already a bystander when Curbishley arrived, so the trend continued from there -- but it is no excuse for a team in a relegation battle to exclude a player with the Argentinian's talents.

    Since Mascherano has been at Liverpool we have seen what a truly world-class player he actually is, and more mockingly for West Ham, the type of player he is. He is 100 percent fitted to the Premiership; his dogged tackling and never-say-never attitude is perfect for the English game, and a team in a relegation battle like West Ham could surely use a player like him. So why is he not still championing the Hammers' cause?

    One little insight was given by Benitez last week. When asked why Mascherano had done so well at Liverpool, Rafa replied that at Anfield it is easier for the player because of all the Spanish-speaking staff. If this is true, how unprofessional of West Ham for letting one the best players for years pass through their club and not giving him a fair chance because they could not go out of their way to solve the problem.

    Since Mascherano moved to Liverpool I have started to think about something I never thought I would --selling Momo Sissoko. Sissoko has been a great servant for the club but unfortunately his passing seems to getting worse and worse. There are not many better ball winners in the Premiership but with Momo, as soon as he wins the ball, he passes it straight back to the opposition.

    Mascherano is very different when he wins the ball; he has Steven Gerrard or Xabi Alonso's ability to play that incisive pass to start an attack and is aware of where his team-mates are at all times. I thought Sissoko being dropped for the last few games might have been a wake-up call to him, but his passing was as bad as ever against Reading.

    With both Mascherano and Sissoko playing in the same game, it was the perfect opportunity to compare both players -- and it was not good for Sissoko. Mascherano's tackling was better timed and his distribution of the ball miles ahead.

    Sissoko is still young and under Benitez`s guidance will improve -- but Barcelona want Sissoko, while we want Samuel Eto´o. If Sissoko's departure to the Nou Camp would put us in pole position to capture the signature of Eto'o, then, for the good of the team, Liverpool would be willing to part with Momo.

    All this comes about because Rafa has seen in Mascherano what two West Ham managers did not see in the Argentinian. What a huge loss it is for West Ham and if they do go down, people will point at this as an indication of how badly the club has been run.
    I agree with the author on most things he says, hard to pick holes in what he is saying. Although I know Rafa would argue that Sissoko is low on confidence and that you pick a player for what they can do, not what they cant (Barcelona at the Camp Nou) But, again, I would go as far to say, when a team isnt a real threat to us as a creative force, Sissoko shouldnt be playing, unless we want to use it as an excercise for him to improve his ball skills. Id use Sissoko for breaking up high quality opposition attackers, little else, and even then I would be cautious about using him as other team know that if you put Momo under presure he is likely to give them the ball back.
    Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
    'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

    "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

    * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

    #2
    The strangest thing about the whole West Ham/Tevez/Mascherano deal for me was that both Pardew and Curbishley have said they had no idea who the two Argentinians were or how to use them. That was obvious by the fact Pardew just stuck Mascherano in CM without any tactical instructions and by the way Tevez was playing in all kinds of roles apart from his favoured one.

    Anyone that has played football manager will know how hyped JM and CT are in that game, each of them is potentially World Class both in game and in real life [if they aren't World Class already].

    Football Manager is even extremely accurate with their favoured positions, JM being a holding midfielder in the game just as in real life.

    That said, how can two extremely well paid Premiership managers with a network of scouts at their disposal fail to have heard of two of the most promising internation players around, when anyone with a copy of Football Manager 2004+ should be familiar with them?

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      #3
      I'm sure we would all love to keep Momo, for what he has given us since his arrival, and for what he offers should we need him.

      However, he will play less games now since the arrival of the Monster Mash, and I'm sure he knows that, so the option to stay or go should be his, and that decision to be fully supported by Rafa with his blessing, and if that helps us to offset the cost of Eto'o, then all well & good, but I hope he stays.
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        #4
        Originally posted by cobrakai View Post
        The strangest thing about the whole West Ham/Tevez/Mascherano deal for me was that both Pardew and Curbishley have said they had no idea who the two Argentinians were or how to use them. That was obvious by the fact Pardew just stuck Mascherano in CM without any tactical instructions and by the way Tevez was playing in all kinds of roles apart from his favoured one.

        Anyone that has played football manager will know how hyped JM and CT are in that game, each of them is potentially World Class both in game and in real life [if they aren't World Class already].
        Or read World Soccer. They have been hyping both players for years.

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          #5
          If its true what Momo said the other week about still suffering with his eyesight then maybe he shouldnt be playing? Also, if it isnt going to get any better maybe we should cash in on him in the summer? He is boss but if he is going blind then we cant keep him, although a blind Momo is still better than Pennant.
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            #6
            Originally posted by cobrakai View Post
            The strangest thing about the whole West Ham/Tevez/Mascherano deal for me was that both Pardew and Curbishley have said they had no idea who the two Argentinians were or how to use them. That was obvious by the fact Pardew just stuck Mascherano in CM without any tactical instructions and by the way Tevez was playing in all kinds of roles apart from his favoured one.

            Anyone that has played football manager will know how hyped JM and CT are in that game, each of them is potentially World Class both in game and in real life [if they aren't World Class already].

            Football Manager is even extremely accurate with their favoured positions, JM being a holding midfielder in the game just as in real life.

            That said, how can two extremely well paid Premiership managers with a network of scouts at their disposal fail to have heard of two of the most promising internation players around, when anyone with a copy of Football Manager 2004+ should be familiar with them?
            Well I would have thought that westham wouldnt have ever been ambitous enough to look at that kind of quality in South America with scouts over looking them knowing they are out of their league, as for footbal manager, ive never played it, but i believe they have a great database.
            But yes, you are right on your assessment of Mascher at Westham, he was just pushed into midfield and most likely told to defend when the team needs it or move forward if he can. There is far more to Rafa than that as we all know, now at Liverpool, he knows his job, he has to make himself available using his excellent footballing brain aswell as breaking play up and using his intelligence to intercept play.
            Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
            'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

            "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

            * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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              #7
              Originally posted by Red_hot View Post
              If its true what Momo said the other week about still suffering with his eyesight then maybe he shouldnt be playing? Also, if it isnt going to get any better maybe we should cash in on him in the summer? He is boss but if he is going blind then we cant keep him, although a blind Momo is still better than Pennant.
              lol I doubt thats why he is giving the ball away though, but it is something that will always be in the back of Rafa's mind possibly.
              And i think Pennant has been really good of late
              Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
              'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

              "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

              * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                #8
                i'm jus happy west ham are that stupid. to unsettle your whole squad and bring in two class players, and then not play them is ridiculous. it shows how limited pardew and curbishley are as managers

                i dont think we should sell momo, the best is yet to come from him. his concentration and technique when passing is his biggest liability, and something that can be corrected in training. he'll never have the range of passing of mash, but few players in that position do

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ron_Mexico View Post
                  i dont think we should sell momo, the best is yet to come from him. his concentration and technique when passing is his biggest liability, and something that can be corrected in training. he'll never have the range of passing of mash, but few players in that position do



                  I completely agree. Hopefully his current passing is just a second season dip in form. He's still young. Give him time to mature.

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                    #10
                    I think it's worth keeping Sissoko as a squad player - he's shown that he has his uses. However, if an opportunity arises in the transfer market that is too good to refuse, I wouldn't be overly bothered to see him go.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by keniget View Post
                      I think it's worth keeping Sissoko as a squad player - he's shown that he has his uses. However, if an opportunity arises in the transfer market that is too good to refuse, I wouldn't be overly bothered to see him go.
                      We dont need to sell now as we have money.

                      IMO we keep him for 3 more years and try to help him improve on the ball.

                      If he does not I´m sure we would get 6-8m for a 25 year old Sissoko.

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                        #12
                        We don't know how much money we have and if someone came in with an extremely good offer or his sale put us in good stead to buy a first choice target, I think it'd probably be worthwhile selling whilst he's in demand.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by keniget View Post
                          We don't know how much money we have and if someone came in with an extremely good offer or his sale put us in good stead to buy a first choice target, I think it'd probably be worthwhile selling whilst he's in demand.
                          That is simply a call I cant make because I really cant say if he will improve or not.

                          We could maybe get 8m for him now.

                          If he does improve he will be priceless. At least 25+

                          And now I think we can wait and at least get 6m in 3 years.

                          I think we are rich enough to risk loosing 2m over the next three years.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by keniget View Post
                            We don't know how much money we have and if someone came in with an extremely good offer or his sale put us in good stead to buy a first choice target, I think it'd probably be worthwhile selling whilst he's in demand.
                            I think he is under more pressure than he has ever been under, and its showing, especially with the arrival of such a tallented midfield operator in Mascherano.
                            I'd liken it to a case where you have a striker who is afraid to miss, it always effects their goal ratio as apposed to that same playing not being afrad to miss, Sissoko is to weary of hitting slack passes IMO and it's effecting his game.
                            Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                            'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                            "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                            * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
                              I think he is under more pressure than he has ever been under, and its showing, especially with the arrival of such a tallented midfield operator in Mascherano.
                              I'd liken it to a case where you have a striker who is afraid to miss, it always effects their goal ratio as apposed to that same playing not being afrad to miss, Sissoko is to weary of hitting slack passes IMO and it's effecting his game.
                              I think you are right. But he needs to be under pressure. If he cant cope he´s simply off. He is getting his chances and he must take them.

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