"Supporter" banned for racism

[rushscored4]

Same offence (as long as they chanted it) its seen as derogatory and Racialist, calling him an idiot would not constitute this an offence, adding the reference to his origins does.

So, being pedantic, how is it deemed racist if you mention somebody's country of origin but not their region or city? How is it acceptable to sing "Scouse *******s" but not (say) "Turkish *******s"?

[DannyMan2006]

So, being pedantic, how is it deemed racist if you mention somebody's country of origin but not their region or city? How is it acceptable to sing "Scouse *******s" but not (say) "Turkish *******s"?

Its not.

But as I said earlier, its all down to the stewards or people complaining. If no one mentions it then nothing will happen. I can't say the name calling bothers me personally, but if it does you or anyone else all you or they have to do is report it to the police or the stewards.

[FatTony]

when i was younger, not proud of myself but i had a season ticket in the paddock and Chris hughton sliced one of our players in half think it was Paul walsh anyway i stood up and shouted 'you black *******' to my horror there was a coloured guy 2 seats away from me, when i dropped my programme on the floor he stoood all over it, least i deserved to be honest.

I am glad this bloke got banned football is a better place without the banana throwing etc

I still can't my head around calling Rooney and ugly c*nt being less offensive than calling Ferdinand a black c*nt. Ones racially motivated (possibly, and I say this because people often shout the first thing that comes into their heads, i.e. you fat b*stard, ginger tw*t, old Fart etc), and ones not, but they're both equally as offensive to me and a life ban is such an overreaction. Ban the guy for a season and see if he learns to keep his mouth shut when he returns, if it happens again ban him two seasons and so on.

[FatTony]

So, being pedantic, how is it deemed racist if you mention somebody's country of origin but not their region or city? How is it acceptable to sing "Scouse *******s" but not (say) "Turkish *******s"?

Exactly.

[Fiddy]

I still can't my head around calling Rooney and ugly c*nt being less offensive than calling Ferdinand a black c*nt.

You seriously can't see a difference between someone being called an 'ugly ****' or a 'black ****'?!

[FatTony]

You seriously can't see a difference between someone being called an 'ugly ****' or a 'black ****'?!

No. If someone called me a white c*nt, I'd be just as offended if they called me a ugly c*nt.

[Red_Polo]

I still can't my head around calling Rooney and ugly c*nt being less offensive than calling Ferdinand a black c*nt. Ones racially motivated (possibly, and I say this because people often shout the first thing that comes into their heads, i.e. you fat b*stard, ginger tw*t, old Fart etc), and ones not, but they're both equally as offensive to me and a life ban is such an overreaction. Ban the guy for a season and see if he learns to keep his mouth shut when he returns, if it happens again ban him two seasons and so on.

Would I be banned for calling Fergie a alcoholic? I don't think so.

Wars have been fought, blood has been spilt, people have been enslaved, and widespread discrimination has occurred along lines of race, religion, and nationality. It hasn't done along lines of attractiveness or level of addiction to alcohol. Calling someone an alcy or ugly is insulting, but it doesn't evoke a sinister ideology in the way insults such as racism can. Btw the guy didn't get a life ban, he got a 3 year ban.

[FatTony]

Nicely put, but I really don't think this goes through 99% of peoples minds when they argue on this topic, and there's a difference between the racism that you refer to and the flippant, off the cuff remarks that spill out of most peoples mouths in the heat of the moment.

And many a drop of blood has been spilt down my local, wars fought and people discriminated against down my local over a spilt pint.

[Fiddy]

Wars have been fought, blood has been spilt, people have been enslaved, and widespread discrimination has occurred along lines of race, religion, and nationality. It hasn't done along lines of attractiveness or level of addiction to alcohol. Calling someone an alcy or ugly is insulting, but it doesn't evoke a sinister ideology in the way insults such as racism can. Btw the guy didn't get a life ban, he got a 3 year ban.

...which should be obvious really

[Fiddy]

No. If someone called me a white c*nt, I'd be just as offended if they called me a ugly c*nt.

Personally, I'd be MORE offended if someone called me an ugly ****, because calling me white would be far more general and less personal

But that's the point really, it's a generalisation based on racist terms, which as Polo put so nicely have a lot of history. Plus it's different when used to refer to a minority, e.g towards black people or Asians

[Red_Polo]

Nicely put, but I really don't think this goes through 99% of peoples minds when they argue on this topic, and there's a difference between the racism that you refer to and the flippant, off the cuff remarks that spill out of most peoples mouths in the heat of the moment.

And many a drop of blood has been spilt down my local, wars fought and people discriminated against down my local over a spilt pint.

It doesn't have to go through people's minds, it's engraved in our psyches through society's different levels of revulsion to different racial slurs, and all but the most ignorant are aware of that if nothing else.

There is a difference between being racist, and saying something racist of course. But the point is, saying something racist is damaging either way, and you can only punish people for their actions not their thoughts.

No doubt many a drop of blood has been spilt at many a local because of pints knocked on the way to and from the bar. To my knowledge though, there has not yet been any great social / international problem where the pint-spillees have as a group oppressed the pint-spillers. We can only pray that such a travesty never occurs

[5aq1b]

Well i was in Anfield Rd end a few years ago and someone from behind towards the left shouted towards Distin..."You DUTCH ****!!!!!"....few seconds later, i hear another voice from the right shouting..."He's ****in French u ****!!!!!"

[alunevans]

What about the Mancs who spend every match singing about scousers regardless of who they're playing?

Imagine if they sang songs like "Gary Neville is a Red, he hates pakis..." or "build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put the niggers on the top..."? Everybody would be quite rightly outraged but nobody says a word when they sing offensive songs about scousers...

Same goes for the "we all hate Mancs" song that we sing though

[Fiddy]

Well i was in Anfield Rd end a few years ago and someone from behind towards the left shouted towards Distin..."You DUTCH ****!!!!!"....few seconds later, i hear another voice from the right shouting..."He's ****in French u ****!!!!!"

I've heard stuff like that loads before...'double ignorance' is nearly as funny as the bemused look on the idiot's face as they realise how dumb they are

[Bob]

The Argies are an incredibly greasy bunch

I agree Sara