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    #76
    Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
    Sacchi is on record somewhere as saying that Liverpool were a model for his Milan team with Baresi, etc.

    'Liverpool were up there with Brazil, Holland and Ajax as the teams that most excited me. They were one of my main reference points for the way they married individual ability with collective ability to create a marvellous continuous style of play.'
    Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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      #77
      Originally posted by fredo View Post
      Is that a Rafa quote Neil ?
      Yes it is and it frightens the hell out of me.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Rashid View Post
        Yes it is and it frightens the hell out of me.
        Why?
        We have won 5 thropies since Rafa arrived, and we are only starting to see his team go to the next level. In three seasons this could be his second European cup. There is big room for improvement in the side, and I think once Rafa gets the players he desires, we will be almost unstoppable.
        Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
        'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

        "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

        * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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          #79
          Originally posted by Lecter View Post
          'Liverpool were up there with Brazil, Holland and Ajax as the teams that most excited me. They were one of my main reference points for the way they married individual ability with collective ability to create a marvellous continuous style of play.'
          Cheers, Lecter.
          .
          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



          May the Lord bless this post.

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            #80
            Originally posted by fredo View Post
            Is that a Rafa quote Neil ?
            Yes.

            Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
            yes
            .
            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



            May the Lord bless this post.

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              #81
              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
              Yes.


              Rafa also copied the way Milan of old played the offside trap. If the opposing team has the ball in front of our back 4, and passes the ball from side to side or backwards, the back four push upfield.
              Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
              'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

              "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

              * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                #82
                Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                'Liverpool were up there with Brazil, Holland and Ajax as the teams that most excited me. They were one of my main reference points for the way they married individual ability with collective ability to create a marvellous continuous style of play.'
                "FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS' LEAGUE FINAL: Liverpool will spring shock, says
                Independent, The (London), May 25, 2005 by Frank Dunne


                Arrigo Sacchi, the former Milan and Italy coach, now the technical director at Real Madrid, believes that Liverpool's greater freshness could tip tonight's Champions' League final in favour of the English club.

                'I hold Milan in great esteem and have great affection for all the people there. I would like to see Milan win but I think that the physical aspect could be the difference between the two teams,' Sacchi said.

                While Liverpool failed to make it into the top four of the Premiership, Milan pushed the newly crowned Italian champions, Juventus, until the penultimate weekend of the season. Fighting on two fronts appears to have worn them out and in the Champions' League semi-final second leg against PSV Eindhoven they were run ragged.

                'As with all the great teams, Milan's intention is always to be in charge, to dictate the play and take the initiative, using ball possession, orchestrated team manoeuvres and quick counter-attacks. But my impression is that they are not arriving at this game in the best condition. They have looked tired recently. In ordinary circumstances, Milan would take the game to Liverpool but they may just not be up to it on Wednesday,' Sacchi said.

                Sacchi was unknown when the owner of Milan, Silvio Berlusconi, hired him from Parma in 1987. By 1990, his Milan had won the European Cup twice, playing sumptuous attacking football and had turned the Italian game on its head.

                The men who have guided Milan and Liverpool into the 2005 Champions' League final are quick to acknowledge their debt to the 59-year-old Italian. Carlo Ancelotti, who played under Sacchi for both Milan and Italy, says that Sacchi's ideas 'profoundly changed the mentality of many coaches'. The Liverpool coach, Rafael Benitez, calls him 'the greatest coach of the modern era' for his ability to fuse brilliant individual talents into an unbreakable collective.

                Sacchi defines the modern game as 'the harmonic movement of 11 players, who are always active, with or without the ball.' That, he said, was 'the real revolution in modern football and few have been able to pull it off'. Among the few teams that did, he said, were the great Liverpool sides of the 1970s and 1980s.

                'Liverpool were up there with Brazil, Holland and Ajax as the teams that most excited me. They were one of my main reference points for the way they married individual ability with collective ability to create a marvellous continuous style of play.' The Benitez Liverpool does not match up, yet, but are getting better, he said. 'They are a good collective. They lack experience but they can always acquire that and they have a coach who will improve them.'

                One of Sacchi's most treasured memories from his European Cup campaigns with Milan is the 5-0 demolition of Real Madrid at San Siro in the 1989 semi-final, a game that lingers long in the memory for Milan's breathtaking attacking play. He does not, however, expect tonight's game to touch such dizzy heights. 'When you get a team which is tired coming up against a side which, on paper, is weaker, in general you don't get a great game.'

                The Liverpool teams which lifted the European Cup four times between 1977 and 1984 did not worry too much about being pretty, and if Sacchi's prediction is right, and they edge it on sheer stamina, they will not be apologising for it."

                How wrong was he?!

                Obviously both teams played wonderful footy. No argument there. I just think that Sacchi had a much more tactical approach to the game. Any coach who watched international football would benchmark after LFC during the 70's and 80's. We were the best team around in those days by any means.


                We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by CAD View Post

                  How wrong was he?!

                  Obviously both teams played wonderful footy. No argument there. I just think that Sacchi had a much more tactical approach to the game. Any coach who watched international football would benchmark after LFC during the 70's and 80's. We were the best team around in those days by any means.
                  The tactical side of the game has evolved tremendously though over the years

                  Tactically Paisley was pretty much ahead of his time, Sacchi was probably also the same

                  I remember speaking awhile ago to a former player (who is a friend of the family), he was talking about Paisley scouting a European side. The scouts had seen them and had been unable to pick an obvious flaw. Paisley went over only watched 20 minutes and walked out

                  For the week before the actual game Paisley had them taking a set piece into a certain area of the box

                  We got a freekick and promptly executed a text book training ground freekick as per the rehersals

                  As Rafa would say its all in the details
                  Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                    #84
                    Chelsea's football against us was a disgrace and once JP went off ( yes we missed him!!!) our football become the same awfully one dimensional crap as them.

                    It really was hoofball of the highest order. In Rafa's defense I reckon once we have a stronger more balanced side Hoofball will be a thing of the past whereas Mourinho strives for it !!
                    _____________________________________

                    Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

                    Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                      The tactical side of the game has evolved tremendously though over the years

                      Tactically Paisley was pretty much ahead of his time, Sacchi was probably also the same

                      I remember speaking awhile ago to a former player (who is a friend of the family), he was talking about Paisley scouting a European side. The scouts had seen them and had been unable to pick an obvious flaw. Paisley went over only watched 20 minutes and walked out

                      For the week before the actual game Paisley had them taking a set piece into a certain area of the box

                      We got a freekick and promptly executed a text book training ground freekick as per the rehersals

                      As Rafa would say its all in the details
                      Great story that

                      Great managers with great players to implement their ideas. I think that this sums it up perfectly tbh:

                      "Sacchi defines the modern game as 'the harmonic movement of 11 players, who are always active, with or without the ball.' That, he said, was 'the real revolution in modern football and few have been able to pull it off'. Among the few teams that did, he said, were the great Liverpool sides of the 1970s and 1980s."

                      In that sense they were both ahead of their time and obviously football evolved from the 70's to the 90's.

                      Anyway - great "talk" as always


                      We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.

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                        #86
                        That article is pretty much spot on to be honest.

                        Personally, I couldn't give a ****. If I want to be entertained I'll go to the cinema for a fraction of the price.

                        For the neutral though we must be boring as **** to watch.

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                          #87
                          great thread

                          one of the best since this forum started

                          nice story about Paisley too Lec
                          "At a football club, there's a holy trinity - the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don't come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques"

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                            #88
                            Yeah great posts Lecter and CAD and one of the most insightful threads on these forums since its inception. Glad you're finally over here Lecter as your footballing insight is a plus to any LFC forum around.

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
                              Why?
                              We have won 5 thropies since Rafa arrived, and we are only starting to see his team go to the next level. In three seasons this could be his second European cup. There is big room for improvement in the side, and I think once Rafa gets the players he desires, we will be almost unstoppable.
                              I agree with that. We must not forget. Rafa has never had the money to compete for the best players available.

                              Just imagine if this was Rafas team.

                              ...........Reina
                              Finnan.Carra.Vidic.Evra
                              Gerrard.Alonso.Masher.Ronaldo
                              ........Rooney...Drogba

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by einar View Post
                                I agree with that. We must not forget. Rafa has never had the money to compete for the best players available.

                                Just imagine if this was Rafas team.

                                ...........Reina
                                Finnan.Carra.Vidic.Evra
                                Gerrard.Alonso.Masher.Ronaldo
                                ........Rooney...Drogba

                                great team would still have agger and riise over those two though
                                _____________________________________

                                Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

                                Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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