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    'Win? We feared a 6-0 thrashing'

    By Roy Collins



    History, as we know, is written by the winners and in football, it would seem that the victorious also control the imagery. Thus the most abiding images of the 2005 Champions League final in Istanbul are of Liverpool goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek's wobbly legs as he became the hero of the penalty shootout against AC Milan, Steven Gerrard leaping to head the goal that launched the great comeback and of he and his team-mates spilling over the victory podium at the end.

    All images of Kaka's coruscating, string-pulling performance and Hernan Crespo's two goals that delivered Milan's 3-0 first-half lead appear to have been airbrushed from history. And those TV shots of hundreds of Liverpool fans leaving at half-time have probably long been consigned to the cutting room floor.

    No amount of spin, however, can airbrush a player's mind and as he prepares for the rematch in Wednesday's final in Athens, Jamie Carragher cannot purge more painful images and emotions of that game, the most poignant remaining his utter desolation when Milan's third goal went in. He says: "I've seen a picture from the centre circle of me and Stevie [Gerrard] behind each other and you can see in our faces there is nothing there, just total dejection."

    The other great myth of that game is of the destiny-changing half-time team talk. Sure Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez reshaped his tactics by bringing on Dietmar Hamann to revoke Kaka's licence to roam, though his hand was forced by an injury to Steve Finnan. Sure Liverpool's team spirit allowed them to pervert the course of justice and make European history. But if Milan were guilty of over-celebrating at half-time, Liverpool's players shared their belief that the contest was over.

    Carragher, 29, says: "People always ask what happened at half-time and they want to hear you say that we were all lunatics, all believing we could still win. But I was fearing that it was going to be five or six, that we were going to be embarrassed, the way Milan were playing, and at the start of the second half, if anyone was going to score, it was them. If you watch the whole game, Milan were great but it was just something crazy that happens in football, six crazy minutes of whatever you want to call it, great for us, a nightmare for them."

    Thanks to those memories, Liverpool are as much on a mission of redemption as Milan, desperate not to return to such a dressing room of despair at half-time. Carragher believes that the Champions League final surpasses even the World Cup final for football quality but the mystery is still how Liverpool can reach the pinnacle twice in three years, beating Chelsea in two-legged semi-finals on both occasions, while struggling to land a glove on them in the Premiership. He provides an interesting answer: "I think the difference for us is that Europe is a thinking game. If you look through our team, you don't see all-powerful, pacey players. What you see are a lot of clever players. We don't have any [Didier] Drogba or [Michael] Essien and I think you need that for 38 games, you need people with that physical power. I think we need more strength or pace or whatever it is to keep winning over a Premiership season."

    Carragher has been one of the outstanding defenders in the Premiership and the Champions League this season and if he had been christened Giuseppe Carraghi, he would now be hailed as a world legend. Remarkable, then, that it was only two seasons ago that Benitez gave him a permanent role at the heart of defence. Before that, he filled in at right-back, left-back and the midfield holding role, even starting his career as a painfully thin striker.

    He says: "People say I'm a tough player, that I put my foot through the ball but when the other guy is too strong for you, you can't really get involved in a fight. I learned that when I was about 14. I was a skinny striker and I'd be running around trying to kick centre-backs at the FA school of excellence in Lilleshall until the coach told me, 'Don't fight with people bigger than you. That's just stupid.' You've got to use your brain."

    Hard to believe now, but he adds: "I was a late developer and by the time I was 16 and 17, training with the reserves and the first team, I got knocked about because I wasn't strong enough." He's grown into a defensive colossus, a man fit to be mentioned in the same breath as the defensive heroes he worshipped in the Milan side that won the European Cup in 1989 and 1990, a team that also included current manager Carlo Ancelotti.

    Carragher says: "I think they are as good a club side as I've ever seen. Normally, you get teams who are great attacking teams but not so good at the back or the other way round.

    "With Ruud Gullit and Marco Van Basten, that team had the lot going forward, yet they also had [Franco] Baresi, [Alessandro] Costacurta and [Paolo] Maldini to sort it out at the back. If you were picking a World XI of all time, you'd probably have Baresi and Maldini in it, which shows how good they were." Were? Earlier this season, Costacurta became the oldest man to play in the Champions League at 40 years and 211 days and Maldini, 39 next month, will be seeking his fifth European Cup in Athens.

    Carragher simply felt that old when he collapsed in front of his family at the end of the game in Istanbul. The family will be out in force again this week. How many? "All the crowd who normally get locked up at England games," he says.




    A Week in Football: Family values keep the big match in proportion

    By Roy Collina



    If there is one Liverpool player who will keep a sense of perspective in Athens this week, whatever the outcome of the Champions League final, it is striker Dick Kuyt, whose father Gerrit is battling against cancer and is too ill to travel to the game.

    Kuyt says: "The travelling would be too much for him, as well as all the walking he would have to do.

    "So he will watch the game in my home in Liverpool and, hopefully, we can bring the cup back and I can celebrate with him.

    "The hardest thing for me was when I came over to sign for Liverpool when my dad was just days away from a big operation because we are very close.


    "It is not a big journey from Holland to England but when your father is sick, it's a big difference. When I was playing for Feyenoord, I saw him almost every day. Now that he is a bit better, he comes to all the home games and stays the whole weekend. That means a lot to me."


    Gattuso plots final revenge

    By Patrick Barclay



    Maybe it was the 15 months he spent in Glasgow, in a Rangers dressing-room reverberating to the banter of Ally McCoist, but for an Italian footballer Rino Gattuso is unusually fond of a quip. Asked if he had started to lose sleep over the imminence of the Champions League final, he replied: "Actually, I've just woken up.'' The combative Milan midfielder even joked when questioned about Steven Gerrard's having called him "as scary as a kitten'', fingering his stubbly beard and declaring: "I'm too ugly to be a kitten.'' But then Gattuso became briefly serious. "I think Gerrard is a great player,'' he said. "That is my only answer.''

    The only other time his eyes lost their gleam as he entertained the foreign media at the Milanello training centre last week was on the subject of the 2005 final, in which Gattuso and his colleagues let a three-goal lead slip in the second half of normal time before losing to Liverpool on penalties.

    Had he ever summoned the courage to watch a recording of the match? "You used the right word in 'courage','' said Gattuso with a rueful smile. "No, I've never watched the whole match. Just parts of it.'' Losing was bound to hurt, especially losing in the way Milan did. "But what hurt more than losing was the lies that have been told about it.'' And later he explained why.

    It was, of course, to do with Gerrard's acclaimed biography, in which the Liverpool captain asserted: "Gattuso just plays for the fans. Emotional. Theatrical - the one Milan player who had a smirk on his face leaving the pitch at half-time. I saw it. **** you. A couple of other Milan players waved at their fans and family. That disgusted me. So did Pirlo's nutmeg just before half-time. Disrespectful. OK, Milan were battering us, but you never behave like that to opponents. Never.''

    Now we have no means of independently checking whether Gattuso celebrated prematurely or not, although when I read the reference to Andrea Pirlo's nutmeg it did strike me as suspiciously partial, given the identically impudent trick Gerrard himself played on his then clubmate Didi Hamann during England's 5-1 thrashing of Germany in Munich in 2001.

    Perhaps we should be accustomed, after the rash of autobiographies by England players that followed the last World Cup, to this new form of indignantly selective argument. As a recently retired player of some distinction told me with a sigh: "It's how they get themselves up these days.''

    But I still think life is too short for it and do not blame Gattuso for his lingering ire, which he tried so hard to conceal behind praise for Gerrard before defending himself: "Anyone who knows me knows I know football well enough to be aware anything can happen in 45 minutes. Milan are a serious, experienced team. We would not celebrate a win at half-time. But maybe these stories help to sell copies of autobiographies.''

    Although Milan would not have begun this Serie A season with an eight-point handicap had the club been angelic to the core, the players are indeed brought up on a winning mentality: one which the captain of Liverpool, of all people, should not fail to recognise and acknowledge.

    "I think it's in the club's DNA,'' said the 29-year-old Gattuso, who came from Salernitana in 1999. "When I entered Milanello for the first time, I saw pictures of people like Baresi, Gullit and Van Basten who had won a lot. We went through a bad spell, but over the last few years we've restored respect for the club.''

    Just like Liverpool. And, just like Liverpool, in the Champions League above all; no wonder Gattuso took such offence at the accusation of dilettante behaviour in a final.

    How did he look back on 2005 and the Liverpool recovery stirringly begun by Gerrard? "There were six minutes of madness,'' said Gattuso, "six terrible minutes for us.'' But the forthcoming rematch was too big to be about revenge. Nor was it about any obligation on him to subdue Gerrard. "It's 11 v 11 and we also have Massimo Ambrosini in the midfield.'' But we all saw how Gattuso's departure with an injury during the semi-final at Old Trafford invited Manchester United to start expressing themselves - and his frenzied delight when Sir Alex Ferguson's team were subsequently outplayed at San Siro.

    He was happy to accept his value as a nuisance, partly ascribing it to his Calabrian roots: "The whole of the South has that fighting spirit, because of our history [it was once colonised by the Greeks]. Our passion, the fire in our belly, comes from that. One of my early heroes in football was Salvatore Bagni at Napoli. He wasn't technically strong but had a big heart and in my dreams I wanted to be a player who others saw and thought, 'My God, Gattuso, he never stops running. Mamma Mia, look how that guy can run. It's scary.' By that I don't mean opponents should be afraid of me - but I do like them to know I'll play with a lot of intensity.


    Tiger's revenge

    Rino Gattuso is the snarling driving force in a Milan side that is desperate to put the record straight

    Ian Hawkey, European football correspondent



    Gennaro Gattuso had considered the questions and settled on answers. Should the name Jerzy Dudek come up, he’d simply ask: “Who’s he?” Liverpool? “The home of the Beatles.” Istanbul? “The major city in Turkey.” His policy would be to erect a road-block if anybody tried to invite him down the 2005 memory lane.

    When it came to it, though, a few days ahead of an evocative Champions League final reunion of AC Milan and Liverpool, Gattuso could not quite help himself.

    The smart-arse responses set out in his new autobiography were not the ones with which he chose to confront ghosts. Dudek? If he sees the penalty saviour of two years ago, he’ll greet him with “congratulations” grinned Gattuso. And when he shakes Steven Gerrard’s hand, he will acknowledge “a great player” if a man whose recall of Istanbul does not quite tally with his own. Gattuso has been made aware that a “disgusted” Gerrard wrote a book that referred to the Italian being “one Milan player who had a smirk on his face leaving the pitch at half-time” of the Champions League drama of 2005.

    “**** you, you hairy little ****” thought Gerrard to himself. By the end of penalties Liverpool had turned the 3-0 interval deficit into victory. Gattuso, for the record, disputes Gerrard’s account: “The thing that upsets me most is the lies about what happened at half-time,” he says. “There had been no premature celebration. Anybody who knows me knows I know football well enough to know anything can happen in 45 minutes. Milan are a serious, experienced team. We would not celebrate a win at half-time. But maybe these stories help sell copies of autobiographies.” Touché.

    Gattuso also laughed on being reminded that Gerrard thought him overrated as a footballer and had called him a “kitten”. Gattuso liked the sound of it: in Italian the words gattino - a baby cat - and Gattuso share the same sentence rather lyrically: “But I’d make an ugly kitten, with my beard.” Gattuso seems to enjoy the stereotype of his own inelegance, his earthiness, his removal from the idea of the pin-up. He admits to some awe when he trains with colleagues such as Ronaldo, Kaka and Andrea Pirlo because of their precise control. Gerrard’s observation - “I’ve never seen Gattuso play a killer ball” - may be widely shared, though the Liverpool captain’s notion that a “theatrical, emotional” Gattuso “just plays for the fans” would not find much of a hearing around Milanello, his club’s retreat.

    Theatrical, yes; appreciated: hugely. “He talks a lot in the dressing-room,” the Milan captain, Paolo Maldini, said, adding affectionately, “sometimes too much. But we’re actually a good mixture of the quieter types and the noisy ones.” After Maldini retires, an event first scheduled for sometime in the mid1990s, Gattuso could inherit the armband. Maldini and Kaka apart, Gattuso’s not-so-feline face may even have become this Milan team’s most recognisable one.

    As captain, he would not have to play so hard the role of cheerleader. Watching him wheel around his arms at the fans in the San Siro like some creature from WWE wrestling is to understand why opponents find him a showy irritant. Gattuso explains it as a sort of genetic hyperactivity. “I’ve tried to be calm, to live without adrenaline. The doctor tells me: ‘Tranquillo, tranquillo,’ but I can’t do that. I bite my nails, I’m always full of adrenaline. I’m human, and you have to lose your cool now and again. I like to make a racket, to live every moment intensely. Even at home playing with Gabriella, my daughter, my wife tells me, ‘Don’t forget she’s a little girl, not a boy!’ I like to muck around, and it’s good for kids to make a racket. That’s what I did in my childhood.”

    Little “Rino” Gattuso spent his childhood in Calabria. On a map of Italy, Calabria makes the sole of the boot. Gattuso reckons he’s very Calabrese. He occasionally uses the insulting term “terrone” (somewhere between “bogtrotter” and “peasant”) on himself. In his career he will have heard that word spat at him viciously, as a southerner, from grandstands in the north of the country. His strong sense of region, he thinks, made it easier for him to fit in in Scotland, where he spent a season as a young man with Rangers. Paul Gascoigne became a friend, and while a regular diner at one Italian restaurant in the city, Gattuso fell in love with the daughter of the proprietor. They married and Gabriella’s mother, Monica, is a Scot.

    Gattuso’s father, says his son, had been a footballer of reasonable renown locally. He was also an obsessive. “He never stops, mentally much worse than me like that. His mind is always working, always trying to do something new. I get my personality from him because when he played he just couldn’t stand losing. He couldn’t even lose at cards. But the whole of the south has this sort of fighting spirit, because of our history.”

    Fiery Ringhio - Snarler - Gattuso from Calabria gives Milan something unique. Maldini specifies it: “He’s vitally important to our pressing in midfield.” For most of his Milan career he has been accompanied in midfield by three players with outstanding creative capabilities: Pirlo, Clarence Seedorf and Kaka. The first two regain possession as well as capitalise on it, but in the overall equilibrium of Milan’s football, Gattuso’s energy plays a vital part. He will happily quantify it. In his book, you keep seeing references to how much he runs: 13km per game, he reports. He lists his assets as “the lung power to go from Milan to Corigliano and back, the feet of a marathon runner, fisherman’s hands and the look of a mastiff”.

    On his right fisherman’s forearm he wears the word “Champion”, tattooed there after Milan’s victory in the 2003 Champions League. The 2007 version marks Gattuso’s third such final in five years. Milan have a Champions League final habit unmatched by anybody this century. “It’s in the DNA of this club,” says Gattuso. “When I arrived, I entered Milanello on the first day and saw pictures of people such as Franco Baresi, Ruud Gullit and Marco van Basten. They had won a lot. We have been through one bad spell but over the past few years we’ve restored respect for the club.”

    Would a win in Athens restore respect for Italian football, disgraced by scandal very recently? “Do we really still have to prove anything on behalf of calcio? We’re the world champions. What do we have to do now: go to the moon? Scandals happen all over the world.”

    Would a triumph in Athens exorcise Istanbul? “I’ve always refused to watch that final again in full. Of course, I’ll always have that memory, no matter how many finals we win. In a way it can help us now by giving us even more determination to win.” But please, he smiles, no penalties. Gattuso will not be first in the queue for those. He looks down at his feet, slightly splayed. “These feet weren’t made for taking penalty kicks.”

    Plans of attack: how Gattuso and Gerrard will be key figures in Athens this week

    The Kaka threat


    Kaka is the Milan dangerman but Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez says he will not be man-marking the Brazilian. Instead, it will be up to one of the Liverpool midfielders to pick up his runs. Rino Gattuso, Milan’s midfield terrier, will try to win possesssion and feed Andrea Pirlo. It is the Milan playmaker who will then play the killer ball behind the Liverpool defence for Kaka to run on to

    Leave it to Steve

    Milan’s defence is solid, experienced and very difficult to break down. Therefore, Steven Gerrard’s runs from the right side of midfield will be crucial. Dirk Kuyt and Peter Crouch will have little room for manouevre but if they can hold up the ball and play Gerrard into space at the edge of the penalty area, his powerful shooting could pay dividends

    The venue


    The Athens Olympic stadium may be staging its first major Uefa final since a recent revamp but, as its name suggests, it is no stranger to the big event. Originally constructed for the 1982 European athletics championships, the Spiridon Louis stadium, as it was known, was named after the winner of the first Olympic marathon in the Greek capital in 1896. It hosted its first European Cup final in 1983 when Hamburg beat Juventus 1-0. It also became home to the Athenian clubs Olympiakos, Panathinaikos and, for two seasons, AEK. The stadium was host to its second European Cup final in 1994 when AC Milan beat Barcelona 4-0. In 2002 the old stadium was closed and rebuilt as a 71,000-capacity venue for the 2004 Olympics
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    A special relationship with the cup

    By Colin Malam



    Celtic may have been the first British club to win the European Cup and Manchester United the first English one, but none from these shores can match the special relationship Liverpool have with Europe's premier club competition, be it called European Cup or Champions League.

    When Liverpool face AC Milan in Athens on Wednesday night, they will be taking part in their seventh final of this kind. That is five more than Celtic, United and England's only other multiple winners, Nottingham Forest.

    In fact, only Real Madrid (12), Milan (11 on wednesday) and Bayern Munich (8) have appeared in more.

    It has hardly been just a matter of making up the numbers, either. Liverpool have carried off the trophy with big ears, as some like to call it, no fewer than five times. That puts them level with Bayern and one behind Milan. Only Real, masters of this tournament from its inception in 1956, are way ahead with nine.

    Had Liverpool fans not been chiefly responsible for the Heysel Stadium tragedy at the 1985 final against Juventus, their figures might be even more impressive. A six-year ban from European football broke an unparalleled, 21-year spell during which the Merseysiders competed in one or other of the continent's major tournaments without interruption.

    Heysel was, in effect, the end of an era. Liverpool's domination of English football waned and they had to wait until 2001, when they won a heart-stopping UEFA Cup final against Alaves, to make an impact on Europe again. Then, in 2005, came that astonishing Champions League revival against Milan in Istanbul to reunite Liverpool with their old love.

    Now, this second Champions League final in three seasons has stirred old memories of historic triumphs for the Kop. Memories, for example, of that unforgettable Roman night in 1977, when Kevin Keegan ran Berti Vogts ragged and Liverpool beat Borussia Moenchengladbach 3-1 to win the European Cup for the first time.

    As Mark Lawrenson says: "Many of the supporters now were probably at the club's first European Cup final, and a lot of the younger ones have been brought up on all the stories. Everybody you speak to has been to one or another of the finals. Three fellers even went to Istanbul in a black cab."

    BBC pundit Lawrenson played in two of the finals himself, of course. A central defender, he partnered Alan Hansen then, as he does now on Match of the Day, in the dramatic 4-2 victory on penalties over Roma in Rome in 1984 and the meaningless 1-0 defeat by Juventus in Brussels the following year that is remembered with a shudder.

    He has happier memories of Rome. "Having been out on the pitch and taken plenty of stick from the Roma fans we walked back up to our dressing room, which was on the first floor. As we were going up the staircase in single file, one of the lads started singing a Chris Rea song and we all joined in the chorus.

    "After the game, the story came out that Nils Liedholm, Roma's coach, had said he knew his team were beaten when they heard us singing. Apparently he'd been in the middle of his team talk when we passed by, and Leidholm admitted that when he looked round the room at his players, most of them fit, healthy and tanned beforehand, they were white by the time the chorus had finished."

    Although most of the credit for Liverpool's victory in the penalty shoot-out has gone to goalkeeper Bruce Grobbelaar and his 'spaghetti legs' routine, the honour of scoring the team's fifth and decisive penalty went to Alan Kennedy. So, since he also got the only goal of the 1981 final against Real Madrid in Paris, the Geordie left-back can claim to have scored the winner in two European Cup finals.

    "The second one was the more nerve-wracking of the two," he admits now.

    "That was because it was a standing ball I had to hit, whereas I was on the move for the first one. Anyway, I opened my body up and managed to side-foot the ball in. It was pure relief, I can tell you.

    "The first goal came from a throw-in by Ray Kennedy. I had the choice of crossing the ball or shooting, but the angle was very narrow and, to be honest, I'm still unclear to this day about what I did. But I managed to hit the back of the net.

    "It was my first European Cup final, so Paris was very special for me. I nearly didn't play because I wasn't really match fit after recovering from a broken wrist. But we were down to the bare bones and Bob Paisley [the manager then] took a chance on me."

    Graeme Souness also has fond memories of Paris, 1981. "It was a very special night," he says. "Then, two days later, my son Fraser was born. So they were a very special few days."

    But this formidable former midfielder also gets a kick out of recalling the final three years later, when he outshone Roma's celebrated Brazilians Falcao and Cerezo. "Falcao was the highest-earning player in the world at the time," he says. "So trying to get the better of him and Cerezo was a personal challenge, the kind of challenge that gets you excited. People gave us no chance of beating Roma in Rome, but we played them off the park."

    However, we must go back to Wembley, 1978, and the delicious little through pass that enabled Kenny Dalglish to score the winner against Bruges, for Souness' most startling revelation. "I got a great deal of credit for that goal, which was absolute nonsense," he confesses.

    "Thinking I was going to get clattered by one of their players, I actually just went solid for a ball that was coming out the sky. The ball then bounced off my shin and weighted itself perfectly for Kenny to put in the net. But if people keep giving me the credit, I'll keep taking it!"

    No former Liverpool player deserves more credit than right-back Phil Neal, who played in all of the club's first five European Cup finals.

    Briefly, he recalls them thus: "1977 - The first of everything is always memorable.

    "1981 - I remember playing Laurie Cunningham out of the game and then being chosen for a drug test.

    "1978 - I ignored that one because it was such an unmemorable game. Bruges put 11 men behind the ball.

    "1984 - My memory there is of putting us ahead early on.

    "1985 - Memorable for all the wrong reasons. Maybe we should just have given Juventus the cup and walked out."

    Neal believes Liverpool will claim a narrow victory over Milan on Wednesday.

    "AC may leave themselves vulnerable through their urge for revenge," he says.

    Kennedy, too, is reasonably confident. "It's going to be a very cagey affair," he says, "but I think Liverpool have enough in their armoury to get a result."

    Typically, Souness is more bullish. "I think Liverpool can win it. Milan were very impressive in their two games against Manchester United, but Liverpool are hard to play against. They can frustrate them and win it. But the special player - Steven Gerrard - will have to be special on the night."
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      McManaman says old friends are no underdogs

      By Colin Malam, Sunday Telegraph



      Steve McManaman, the first English player to win Europe's principal club competition with a foreign club, is going to Athens on Wednesday confident that his old outfit, Liverpool, can dash the Champions League hopes of AC Milan for the second time in three years. He can give you good, cogent reasons, too.

      "I've seen Milan many times this year," he confides. "I've seen them against Celtic in the group stages and I saw them against Bayern in the quarter-finals. And I would never have said they would beat Manchester United. But everybody's opinion of Milan has changed because of their demolition of United in the San Siro.

      "Liverpool could easily go there and beat them. When Milan played Man United, I think United were showing signs that things were catching up with them. There were all those injuries to key defenders and, before the second leg, they'd played Everton and struggled and then won. If Man United played Milan tomorrow, they wouldn't lose 3-0.

      "Liverpool are the underdogs, but they've had a good passage through the European Cup this year and never looked as if they were going to struggle. I put them down as favourites.
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      "If they win, they'll compare very favourably with the great Liverpool teams. But the type of football is very different. This Liverpool are very difficult to play against: they like to stifle teams, they like to counter-attack. They are not as free-flowing as a Manchester United or as attractive on the eye as an Arsenal, and the Liverpool of the past were."

      Brought up an Evertonian, he is not making the trip to Athens as, in his words, "a mad, avid Liverpool fan". Given his close friendship with Robbie Fowler, however, and his knowledge of manager Rafael Benitez from his four years in Spain with Real Madrid, he wishes them success.

      "Even though Liverpool have been sold, I know it still means a great deal to people like [former chairman] David Moores when the team do well," he adds. "I made such good friends at Liverpool, and you love your friends to do well, don't you?"

      McManaman is scheduled to start passing judgment in August as Setanta's No 1 pundit on the Premiership, England and FA Cup games they and ITV have managed to wrest from the grasp of Sky and the BBC.

      It is ironic considering that, interviewed a few years ago, McManaman seemed to indicate that the last thing he would want to be was a pundit.

      "What I meant was that I didn't want to be a pundit like a lot I saw on TV. Once you've been a footballer, you have to be very careful about what you say. It's so easy to be critical. A lot of players don't like that and don't resp-ect a lot of pundits. You don't have to dive in and tell the whole world what a terrible mistake a player has made. There's a subtle way of explaining why people have done this or that.

      "Mind you," he adds with self-deprecating humour, "this time next year, I'll probably be saying: 'He's useless'!"

      Steve McManaman is Setanta Sports' new star analyst for its Premier League coverage, which features 46 exclusively live games from August.
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        'kinell Shaggy, are you on speed or summat? Doing a power of posting this evening.

        Top read BTW.

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          I ****ing hate lazy journalism.

          Munich have won 4, we have won 5, Colin Maram you overpaid little ****.

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            Originally posted by spud_gun View Post
            'kinell Shaggy, are you on speed or summat? Doing a power of posting this evening.

            Top read BTW.




            Dedication game: Dirk's heart in land of his father

            Kuyt's indefatigable style and dedication to the team cause has endeared him to the Kop - and on Wednesday Liverpool hope to be suitably inspired

            By Nick Townsend, Chief Sports Writer

            He started the game, as many have and will continue to do so under Rafa Benitez's management, from the bench. Thirty-eight minutes is all Anfield saw of him that day in late August.

            There was a mighty hurrah at the arrival of the blond striker, the applause rumbling down the Kop like thunder. Dirk Kuyt's signing had been a long time coming since he was first associated with Liverpool back in 2004. Immediately, he was recognised as a kindred spirit, and not least because of the now- familiar applause from him to them at the final whistle. He is invariably the last man to leave the field, and the accord between player and the faithful is mutual.

            "The first moment I came in, against West Ham, the crowd were incredible," recalls Dirk the Dynamo, the striker who is forever recharging the batteries of those around him, let alone the spectators, with his energy and enthusiasm. "It was my first match, but I felt like I'd played here for years. They accepted me immediately. They have a lot of respect for me and of course I have a lot of respect for them.

            "I'm that kind of player. With all my former clubs, I had a special relationship with the crowd. I like that kind of relationship. Everyone saw the [Champions' League] Chelsea game, and it's partly because of them that we reached the final. Incredible."

            This was the club he had long supported from afar. And yet, there was an awful darkness on the horizon of a sunlit sky that day. His father, who is also called Dirk, had watched that first game before returning to Holland to undergo surgery for lung cancer, although the operation was actually delayed to allow Kuyt Snr to present his son with the Dutch Player of the Year award.

            The emotions overflowed that day. Understandably so. Father had watched son play from a five-year-old on the beach at Katwijk, a fishing village on Holland's North Sea coast, where he grew up. He had witnessed his progress from the local club, Quick Boys, the biggest amateur side in Holland, to his five seasons at FC Utrecht, followed by three at Feyenoord, during which he scored 20, 29 and 22 goals, and gained the first of his 29 Holland caps. And finally, he experienced paternal pride at his son's £9 million move to Liverpool last summer.

            This is no city boy, from the mean straat of Rotterdam. His father, a fisherman, like many in his village, spent many days away at sea. His son could have followed him aboard the fishing boats, and was offered an apprenticeship, but turned it down because he did not want to miss out on midweek football training. Few would have foreseen early on that he would become such a prodigious trawler of goals.

            Kuyt Snr won't be in Athens for Wednesday's Champions' League final. "It would be too much for him," says his son. "He will watch the game here, at my house, and hopefully we can bring the Cup home, so he can celebrate with us."

            He adds: "The worst moment was signing for Liverpool in the weeks before my dad was due to have his big operation. That was really hard. My dad loves football. He watched every game I played in Holland. He was also a fan of the Premier League, so he's also really proud that I'm here and he can watch me when he's here, or on the telly.

            "It's been very difficult. England and Holland may not be that far apart as countries, but when your dad is sick, the difference seems really big. When I was playing for Feyenoord, I saw him more or less every day. Today, it's different, but I'm pleased, because he comes to every home game and he stays the weekend. I can see him a lot."

            Kuyt is speaking at Anfield before the squad departs for a five-day warm-weather camp in Spain. Presumably it will not become quite so heated as the club's break in Portugal ahead of the game against Barcelona, when Craig Bellamy allegedly swung a golf club at John Arne Riise after the Norwegian had refused to take part in a karaoke competition.

            "We are a close team, and I think we are even closer after that incident," says Kuyt. "It's like a marriage. Sometimes you struggle a bit. But we're all really good with each other. We can feel it from the inside. I'm sure you can see it from the outside. If you see John Arne Riise and Bellamy, they are fine. They have no problems. But I don't think there'll be a karaoke session this time..."

            Kuyt is regarded as more the marriage guidance counsellor; a healer of wounds within the team. Indeed, he is, by every account, an impressive character. Still only 26, he and his wife, Gertrude, have established a foundation to support children in Dutch inner cities, and in Brazil, Nepal and Ghana.

            But it is devotion to the team, and his vigour within it, that has endeared him so readily to the Kop. It will require considerably more from the Dutchman, of course, before he enjoys the apotheosis of a Robbie Fowler.

            "He's one of the greatest strikers Liverpool's ever had and I have learnt a lot from him as a footballer, but also as a human being," says Kuyt of the former England striker. "He's been really important for me in this first year. Just to play a few games with him, I have learnt a lot."

            Kuyt's performance in the home leg of the semi-final against Chelsea epitomised his own qualities. He was a man possessed. It was exhausting merely to witness.

            "I was always that kind of person, with a lot of energy," says Kuyt. "I just try to do what I think is best for the team. And for me, I know I'm a striker and everybody is counting my goals every week [he concluded the season with 12 League strikes and one FA Cup goal, but none in the Champions' League], but for me that is not the most important thing. Of course, if it is possible I want to score a lot of goals, but for me the important thing is just winning the game."

            Liverpool's 2005 European triumph remains vivid in his mind. Kuyt was with the Dutch team, preparing for an international, when Benitez's side were undergoing their Lazarus-like recovery.

            "We watched the final all together in a hotel," he says. "At half-time, we were all talking about how good Milan were. You saw their players. They were so happy. They were all thinking they had won. Then something happened.

            "It was one of the craziest finals I have ever seen. Something like that will never happen again. But at the end, Liverpool deserved to win. It was unbelievable, their comeback."

            And in three days' time? "A club like this should win a trophy a year, so I'll be satisfied if we win the Champions' League," he says. "Next season, in the League, I think we can rival Chelsea and Manchester United - if we get off to a better start."

            He talks the talk that the supporters like to hear. In Athens on Wednesday, if Liverpool are blessed with his inspirational presence, you don't doubt that they can walk the walk.
            Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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              #7
              Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
              I ****ing hate lazy journalism.

              Munich have won 4, we have won 5, Colin Maram you overpaid little ****.
              All journalists are *****. It's a genetic thing.

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                #8
                Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post

                If there is one Liverpool player who will keep a sense of perspective in Athens this week, whatever the outcome of the Champions League final, it is striker Dick Kuyt, whose father Gerrit is battling against cancer and is too ill to travel to the game.
                "Dick Kuyt" sounds like "dick out".
                Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                (1995)
                "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                  #9
                  Did the Milan players really celebrate at half-time in Istanbul?
                  Would hardly think Gerrard and co would make that up.
                  "Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. Im not down with the people who steal and hurt others. Im just a brother who fight back."
                  Tupac

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Marky19 View Post
                    Did the Milan players really celebrate at half-time in Istanbul?
                    Would hardly think Gerrard and co would make that up.
                    Just off the phone to my mate Rino said that they never celebrated at half time

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                      #11
                      This whole "Gerrard being a gobshyte" is exactly why players shouldnt release autobiographies til they've finished playing...

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DJS View Post
                        This whole "Gerrard being a gobshyte" is exactly why players shouldnt release autobiographies til they've finished playing...
                        Yep. Don't really understand what Gerrard meant to achieve with his badmouthing of Gattuso TBH.

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                          Mascherano hits the heights again after Anfield salvation
                          DAN BRENNAN

                          FOR a player who, just months ago, appeared in danger of falling off the map, Javier Mascherano can be forgiven for expressing disbelief at the fact that he'll be lining up in the Champions League final on Wednesday. "When I think about this match, I can't quite believe what is happening to me. It really is incredible," he muses. But then the 22-year-old Argentine must have spent much of his short career asking himself: "How did I get here?"

                          Last August, he and fellow Argentine international Carlos Tevez became the talk of the Premiership when they were unveiled as West Ham players. Not since 1978, and the arrivals of Muhren and Thyssen at Ipswich Town and Ardiles and Villa at Spurs, had a foreign double act caused such a commotion. This was to be the transformational deal that would catapult a team of mid-table journeymen into potential contenders. Things quickly fell apart. As Tevez toiled, Mascherano was lucky if he even made it on to the bench. The reality was that West Ham manager Alan Pardew had hailed their arrival through gritted teeth, having been presented with a fait accompli, brokered between the club's owners and Media Sports Investment (MSI), the consortium that owned the players' contracts. For Mascherano at least, the subsequent regime change in the boardroom and Pardew's replacement by Alan Curbishley in December, made matters worse, as the latter arrived with his own ideas for the squad. All in all, Mascherano made just seven appearances for the Hammers.

                          Had it not been for the persistence of Rafa Benitez in navigating the regulatory maze, Mascherano would have been doomed to sit out the season in the wilderness, a victim of a sub clause in the Fifa rule book. The debt to the Liverpool manager is one that he feels keenly.

                          "I feel really grateful to all my teammates and everyone at Liverpool for making me so welcome here, but especially to Rafa Benitez," he says. "As you can imagine, the fact he wanted me so much in his team gave me a great boost. I now feel very strongly that I can't let this person down, as he has placed so much trust in me. I get the feeling that my team-mates all think the same way. From my first day at Liverpool I noticed that there is a mood of total determination here, a never-say-die spirit. The manager transmits a strong mentality to the team and gives a lot of confidence to each player."

                          The transformation at Liverpool has been dramatic. Unable to break into a struggling team crying out for a strong anchorman, Mascherano has already become the preferred partner for Steven Gerrard in a side stuffed with midfield talent and challenging for Europe's top prize. Indeed, whatever the backroom politics at the Boleyn Ground, the failure of first Pardew and then Curbishley to utilise the talents of a player who, for several years, has been regarded as the best young defensive midfielder out of South America, must raise serious questions over their judgment. Mascherano is neither a prima donna nor a dilettante, but enjoys a reputation as a hardworking and intelligent performer. Indeed, of the two, it always seemed more likely that he and not the more parochial and poorly educated Tevez would find his feet in England. Mascherano can now afford to be philosophical about his time at West Ham, and refrains from directing any bile towards Pardew or Curbishley. "I've got no regrets. When I went there I genuinely thought it was the best thing for me. Obviously I didn't know what was going to happen. I was always treated very well but things didn't turn out how I expected on the pitch.

                          "Many things went wrong. Maybe, first of all, it was down to the way I arrived at the club, and the state they were in at the time. There was a great deal of hype surrounding our arrival. But I needed time to adapt and I think they didn't let me have that. As for my relationship with the managers there, I wouldn't say any one thing went wrong. Looking back, though, maybe I should not have been in such a rush to go there when I was offered the chance of a move."

                          A more likely truth is that neither he nor Tevez had much say in their destination. The mysterious circumstances of their transfer to West Ham are yet to be fully unravelled and they could yet cost West Ham their place in the top flight in addition to the £5.5m fine imposed by the Premier League. What we do know is that the deal was brokered by Kia Joorabchian, whose MSI owned their contracts and had previously financed their move from Argentina to Corinthians in 2005. That move had initially proved a huge success, with the Sao Paulo club storming to the Brazilian championship. However, when things went pear-shaped the following season, the natives turned on MSI and the Argentine players were singled out as the chief scapegoats on the pitch. According to Argentine football journalist Andres Garavaglia, a swift exit was required, and West Ham were the only club ready to do business on MSI's terms.

                          "I think Mascherano and Tevez had no say in the transfer. They had to get out of Corinthians at any cost because Emerson Leao [then coach at the Brazilian club] hates Argentine players and was going to freeze them out, so they asked Kia [Joorabchian] to take them somewhere. West Ham were the only club available. This was the only team that had the courage to do business with Kia at that moment."

                          Mascherano remains in regular contact with Tevez since moving to Merseyside, and is delighted that he too has been able to end the season on a high. "I speak to Carlitos nearly every week. I am very glad for him because in the end he finally managed to achieve what he had promised to himself and everyone at West Ham. He said he was not going to give up until he helped West Ham to avoid relegation. Personally, I think that if West Ham had been relegated, he would have been ready to stay with them to help the team get back to the Premiership. He might be a star, but he also has a lot of humility."

                          As Tevez confirmed during a press conference in Buenos Aires on Friday, he is certain to move on to bigger and better things. There has been recurring speculation that he could follow Mascherano to Anfield.

                          "He hasn't said anything to me personally about it," claims Mascherano. "But I would love it [if he came to Liverpool]. It would be great for me and for the club. I can't imagine any team in the world not wanting Tevez. He is a great player and Liverpool are a great club, so of course he would be very welcome here. But from what I'm hearing, I think that Liverpool will find it hard to compete with the other offers that West Ham are apparently receiving for him. I think it will be too much money. And I don't know what he wants. Maybe he is keen to play in another country."

                          A fish out of water at West Ham, Mascherano agrees that his integration at Liverpool has been helped by the presence of so many fellow Spanish speakers, but he says the main reason for his new-found sense of well-being is that he is back at a club with a culture of success. "[Having other Spanish speakers here] has helped, but it wasn't guaranteed to be that way. Sometimes, even when you know a person, you do not get on with them. But I feel like I was made for Liverpool and they were made for me. I come from a team that was used to challenging for titles. That was the way it was at River Plate, and it was the same at Corinthians. Well, that didn't happen at West Ham. Thinking about Carlitos, while I know he is happy because he helped his team escape relegation, I am also sure he must have felt a bit confused that he was celebrating something like that. Tevez and me are used to celebrating winning titles, not fighting to avoid the drop."

                          Amid the crescendo of jibes between Benitez and Jose Mourinho ahead of the Champions League semi-finals, the Portuguese described Liverpool as "a cup team", suggesting that they lacked the consistency to challenge for the league title. Mascherano has already seen enough of his new team's potential to dismiss this as a nonsense. Looking ahead to next season, he believes Liverpool will be well placed to make the Special One eat his words.

                          "I heard that. That's his opinion. I guess Mourinho must have his reasons. I respect him but I don't agree. In Argentina they say the same thing about Boca Juniors. Many people call them 'a cup team' and, like Liverpool, they have won many finals, but I don't think it's fair to say that about either team. Liverpool have shown on many occasions that they are capable of competing for every trophy. And next season we will challenge for the league."

                          While Wednesday's game is the showpiece club match of European football, there will also be a South American undercurrent, where the Argentine midfield enforcer attempts to thwart the Brazilian wizardry of Kaka. It's a task few would relish, with the Milan star in the kind of form that has made him a strong candidate for world player of the year. But Mascherano is unfazed, and knows Liverpool have already proved capable of blunting the Latin flair of fellow Argentine Lionel Messi and Kaka's countryman Ronaldinho in dumping Barcelona out of the competition.

                          "I'm not sure how difficult it will be to beat [Milan] but Liverpool have showed again and again that we are a difficult side to beat," he said. "Everybody runs and works for each other and when everybody is focused on the task ahead it is extremely difficult to break us down. All I hope is that on the 23rd we perform the way we did in the semi-final or against Barcelona and are able to bring the trophy back here."
                          Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by DJS View Post
                            This whole "Gerrard being a gobshyte" is exactly why players shouldnt release autobiographies til they've finished playing...
                            Players should be barred from releasing 'autobiographies' regardless of wether they are still playing or not.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by TheStig View Post
                              Yep. Don't really understand what Gerrard meant to achieve with his badmouthing of Gattuso TBH.
                              Dunno if it was about 'achieving' anything, i think it's just down to gerrard being an arrogant gobby immature dickhead.

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