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    #1

    Rafa has to hold his hand up...

    4-4-1-1 was completely the wrong formation to use! Crouch should have started from the beginning in a 4-4-2 formation and either Pennant, Xabi or Mascherano should have started on the bench. Stevie is NOT a Kaka type player, although he can play there. I'm actually getting tired of us having to watch Stevie play out of position all the time because he has the ability to do so. Sorry but Rafa is to blame for this defeat and don't get me wrong he's an amazing manager & tactician, but tonight he definitely got it wrong. Oh and the ref was pathetic, I can't understand how he could have been chosen to ref such a big game!
    Thoughts...
    Thanks for the memories Rafa - YNWA!
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    #2
    Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
    4-4-1-1 was completely the wrong formation to use! Crouch should have started from the beginning in a 4-4-2 formation and either Pennant, Xabi or Mascherano should have started on the bench. Stevie is NOT a Kaka type player, although he can play there. I'm actually getting tired of us having to watch Stevie play out of position all the time because he has the ability to do so. Sorry but Rafa is to blame for this defeat and don't get me wrong he's an amazing manager & tactician, but tonight he definitely got it wrong. Oh and the ref was pathetic, I can't understand how he could have been chosen to ref such a big game!
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    Disagree, i we started out like you suggest Kaka would have destroyed us like he did the SCUM.

    We controlled the game from start to finish, that's life we lost get over it.

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      #3
      I would have started with crouch and Bellamy with Kewell on the left and Gerrard on the right. But in saying this, we dominated the game and were the better side so....

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        #4
        Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
        4-4-1-1 was completely the wrong formation to use! Crouch should have started from the beginning in a 4-4-2 formation and either Pennant, Xabi or Mascherano should have started on the bench. Stevie is NOT a Kaka type player, although he can play there. I'm actually getting tired of us having to watch Stevie play out of position all the time because he has the ability to do so. Sorry but Rafa is to blame for this defeat and don't get me wrong he's an amazing manager & tactician, but tonight he definitely got it wrong. Oh and the ref was pathetic, I can't understand how he could have been chosen to ref such a big game!
        Thoughts...
        Didn't read past the "4-4-1-1 was wrong"

        Why was it??!!

        We out-played them from the 1st whistle right to the 44th minute, and for most of the 2nd half!
        El Niño

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          #5
          Milan can only ever play 1 striker(Age and Class) so they were definatly going to play 5 in midfield.Rafa had to do the same to cancel them out,It worked until their non foul/handball goal!!!!!

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            #6
            If Rafa got it so wrong why were Kaka and Seedorf anonymous? Why was Pirlo spending most of his time defending? Why did we control the game?
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            (1995)
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              #7
              ill never be as good as rafa, but in my head id have started with crouch and kuyt, mascher and xabi in the middle with stevie out right, arbeloa left back with j.a.r left middle.
              **** zenden and pennant....and the only reason id play stevie out there is because we have no one else.
              Its a huge loss as meeelan were so ****ing poor....
              RAFA

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                #8
                it was a 4-2-3-1 formation, the type of formation I would have started with myself, playng two strikers would have opened us up midfield ala Man United in the Semi.
                Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
                  4-4-1-1 was completely the wrong formation to use! Crouch should have started from the beginning in a 4-4-2 formation and either Pennant, Xabi or Mascherano should have started on the bench. Stevie is NOT a Kaka type player, although he can play there. I'm actually getting tired of us having to watch Stevie play out of position all the time because he has the ability to do so. Sorry but Rafa is to blame for this defeat and don't get me wrong he's an amazing manager & tactician, but tonight he definitely got it wrong. Oh and the ref was pathetic, I can't understand how he could have been chosen to ref such a big game!
                  Thoughts...
                  wonderful thing hindsight isn't it, fact is we battered them in the first half and rafas tactics worked fine until alonso gave away a stupid free kick, the only thing i would have changed was zenden out and kewell to start but even that was a tough choice to make given kewell not starting a game since last year. I would probably have gone 4-4-2, but at the end of the day it wasn't the decision to go 4-4-1-1 that hindered us, it was the inability of our forward players to find the net
                  Thomas Hicks Senior

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
                    4-4-1-1 was completely the wrong formation to use! Crouch should have started from the beginning in a 4-4-2 formation and either Pennant, Xabi or Mascherano should have started on the bench. Stevie is NOT a Kaka type player, although he can play there. I'm actually getting tired of us having to watch Stevie play out of position all the time because he has the ability to do so. Sorry but Rafa is to blame for this defeat and don't get me wrong he's an amazing manager & tactician, but tonight he definitely got it wrong. Oh and the ref was pathetic, I can't understand how he could have been chosen to ref such a big game!
                    Thoughts...
                    HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS WRONG,DO YOU KNOW FOR CERTAIN THE RESULT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IF WED HAVE PLAYED 4-4-2

                    my bad but im not writing it again.
                    You two scousers are always yapping,I'm gonna show you some serious rapping.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                      If Rafa got it so wrong why were Kaka and Seedorf anonymous? Why was Pirlo spending most of his time defending? Why did we control the game?
                      They were as lucky as us in 2005,what goes aruond comes around,lessons were learnt.

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                        #12
                        it was wrong only because the one up front in such a formation SHOULD NOT be Dirk Kuyt.
                        "In fact I’m going to make a promise which will be welcomed by many. If there’s no finance secured by the opening day of the season, I’m going to hang up my keyboard and close KOPTALK down." - Duncan Oldham, Expert Conman. March 29th 2006

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                          #13
                          This type of ****e makes me angry.



                          How many times od you people need to be told?

                          RAFA CAN DO NO WRONG.

                          seriously.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
                            4-4-1-1 was completely the wrong formation to use! Crouch should have started from the beginning in a 4-4-2 formation and either Pennant, Xabi or Mascherano should have started on the bench. Stevie is NOT a Kaka type player, although he can play there. I'm actually getting tired of us having to watch Stevie play out of position all the time because he has the ability to do so. Sorry but Rafa is to blame for this defeat and don't get me wrong he's an amazing manager & tactician, but tonight he definitely got it wrong. Oh and the ref was pathetic, I can't understand how he could have been chosen to ref such a big game!
                            Thoughts...

                            Oh dear.
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                            **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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                              #15
                              Perhaps the main change I would have liked to have seen was Crouch instead of Kuyt - or gone 4-4-2 with Pennant on the left and Stevie on the right. Pennant would have caused problems on either wing and he likes to cut inside even on the right so I don't think it matters that much whether he starts on the left or the right.

                              We generally look best as a team with Crouch + someone off him, be it Kuyt, Bellamy or Stevie or whoever. Rafa does appear to like to play much wider than some other managers so I can't understand the reluctance to field Crouch, Kuyt ran himself into the ground for the cause but he only scores goals when he is playing as a striker not some roaming front man.

                              So many of Kuyt's recent goals have been yer typical poachers type efforts - Reading, both against Wigan and today for example. He isn't likely to score those when he's having to cover so much ground outside the box.

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