Same old Liverpool = no title again !

[Nicey]

I dont post on forums often. I have watched what others post on various forums for years. Its gonna be a long one but i hope some people will read this.

I am so frustrated with Liverpool fc at the moment. Rafa is a top manager, he can assess what the opponents will do and manage to create a masterplan to try and stop them, our biggest problem is we havent the players to take advantage of this. Liverpool have a good team, but not a great one. in terms of quality we are 4th in the league. Therefore we done well to finish 3rd !
That is unacceptable ! This is why rafa came out with the statement that we have to act fast.

Rick Parry, were are you ??? Every pre season i await the news that we have signed a top player. It never happens. It never happened when houllier was in charge either, he spend loads of money on crap but we never got a topman. We won the cup treable on 2001 and i thought this is it a few top world class players to push on, it never happened. Same in 2005 after istanbul. Rafa thinks it. When was the last time liverpool bought a world class proven player ?????. The nearest since Dalglish left as manager is Alonso, and most reds didnt know him until Rafa paid 10 mill for him. When did we buy the last Zidane, ronaldo, eto, ronaldinho type top player ????????

We are a top club, we have the best fans and manager in europe. So why in every area do we act like a middle of the road outfit. The club shop is crap, the online shop crap, we are stuck in a timewarp. Liverpool fc is one of the biggest brands in the world but you go on the website and nothing is in stock. China, etc we could make loads.

Parry, forget the tickets in the final that was bad enough but i havent liked him for years. Gerrard contract ?, alves fee ?, these are a few examples of when Parrys arrogance have cost the club. We need 5 top players i think and centre half as backup for carra, agger and sami. a left midfielder cos we havent got one worth talking about at the club, a right midfielder cos we only have pennant and a top striker. Tevez or Eto would be my choise. To win the league, i think we need to do it. No more maybe men, we need the real deal !. Rafa knows we need topmen, will the americans give the money and will Parry get off the lazy, arrogant backside. Only time will tell. If we dont get them though Rafa will leave, he done it at valencia he left, he loved it there but they couldnt match his ambition.

Liverpool have a good team but its not good enough. Football has changed, money rules, even westham and villa spend it. If we dont move with the time s we will be left behind and we are to big for that !

Without sending to negative, we are good, the sprit of the club is unrivaled, Shankly made it and Rafa is carrying it on. The Kop is special, the club is special, lets have a team that is worthy of the name LIVERPOOL F.C !!!!!!!

Come on you reds !

Fantastic post mate

You should post more. I agree completely with everything you have said. I get the impression that everybody involved with the club is on the same page wither they want to be or not in terms of summer signings. We have sorted our investment out, now is the time to put it to good use. The fans know what is needed and honestly will not settle anymore, Rafa knows whats needed and even G&T i suspect know what needed, lets not forget the broke the previous record in one of there teams for most expensive signing ever in the sport, they are not afraid to spend money on the right player.

I honestly think we are waiting for the Spanish Lg to finish and then we will see the majority of our business concluded immediately. I feel it in my bones its Eto and Boy oh Boy talk about a turn around and what a statement of intent to the rest of the world. Liverpool signs the Best Striker in the World. !!

Nothing else other than 4 world class signings will do, A Striker, A left sided Winger, A right sider winger and Cover CB ... we all know whats needed.

This is the time we are going to push on this campaign just watch, Liverpool 's Day in the Sun is returning

[StevieG08]

Although i agree that it's too early to 'slit our wrists' or 'hit the panic button', Kop270 makes many valid points. The way the club was ran under the old regime (which is largely down to Parry) is a joke.

The fact that a club the size of ours was allowed to fall into decline to the point that we needed to sell to foreign 'investors' is pathetic,IMHO. 80mil of debt and the inability to build a decent stadium that would of turned us into a profitable club with the ability to sign top class players are all the doing of Parry and Mr.Moores.

Our board sat back for nearly 20 years and just watched the Manc scum show us how it was done until it was too late for them to do anything about it. We were at the pinnacle of English football but one bad move after the next has cost us dearly. Ok not all of that is down to Parry but the majority of it is.

If people think the club was being well ran by Parry then i'm truely amazed and i can't see the new owners keeping him on for very many years but lets see how that pans out. We can only hope the new owners will drag us into the modern age so we can compete again with the other 'big' clubs of europe.

[AFII]

Although i agree that it's too early to 'slit our wrists' or 'hit the panic button', Kop270 makes many valid points. The way the club was ran under the old regime (which is largely down to Parry) is a joke.

The fact that a club the size of ours was allowed to fall into decline to the point that we needed to sell to foreign 'investors' is pathetic,IMHO. 80mil of debt and the inability to build a decent stadium that would of turned us into a profitable club with the ability to sign top class players are all the doing of Parry and Mr.Moores.

Our board sat back for nearly 20 years and just watched the Manc scum show us how it was done until it was too late for them to do anything about it. We were at the pinnacle of English football but one bad move after the next has cost us dearly. Ok not all of that is down to Parry but the majority of it is.

If people think the club was being well ran by Parry then i'm truely amazed and i can't see the new owners keeping him on for very many years but lets see how that pans out. We can only hope the new owners will drag us into the modern age so we can compete again with the other 'big' clubs of europe.

Parry has costed the club very much money, that is a fact that no one can deny.

We need a new CEO if we want to take a step forward and not stand still. We could easily have secured Alves last summer. We had agreed a fee with Sevilla but didn't botter to put the deal on paper for some reason so Sevilla could pull out and up the price. The same happened when we tried to sign Simao.

Is that how a good CEO works in the transfer market?

Parry was also responsible for the sky high wages paid to **** players like Diao and Cheyrou and that is a big reason to why Rafa hasn't been able to sign the players he want.

I know that the CEO must trust the manager but he can't back him over the limit like Parry did. Back him as much as the club can afford, not more than the club can afford. For being an accountant he didn't took that good care of our figures, did he?

When Houllier wanted to sign Cheyrou for example on very high wages then Parry should just have said no, we can't afford to pay an unproven player that much in wages. To big risk.

We didn't had the money to make gambles like that proven by our big debts and that Moores had to loan the club £10m to sign Kuyt. When you pay a player £50k+/week then he must be proven or you must have very much money to spend.

Parry isn't good enough. He may love the club to bits but that isn't what his job is. His job is to earn the club money, not to love the club.

It's a bonus if the CEO loves the club but I don't care if he do that. All I care about is that he is an excellent businessman that will take us back to the top again.

[Guest]

Parry has costed the club very much money, that is a fact that no one can deny.

We need a new CEO if we want to take a step forward and not stand still. We could easily have secured Alves last summer. We had agreed a fee with Sevilla but didn't botter to put the deal on paper for some reason so Sevilla could pull out and up the price. The same happened when we tried to sign Simao.

Is that how a good CEO works in the transfer market?

Parry was also responsible for the sky high wages paid to **** players like Diao and Cheyrou and that is a big reason to why Rafa hasn't been able to sign the players he want.

I know that the CEO must trust the manager but he can't back him over the limit like Parry did. Back him as much as the club can afford, not more than the club can afford. For being an accountant he didn't took that good care of our figures, did he?

When Houllier wanted to sign Cheyrou for example on very high wages then Parry should just have said no, we can't afford to pay an unproven player that much in wages. To big risk.

We didn't had the money to make gambles like that proven by our big debts and that Moores had to loan the club £10m to sign Kuyt. When you pay a player £50k+/week then he must be proven or you must have very much money to spend.

Parry isn't good enough. He may love the club to bits but that isn't what his job is. His job is to earn the club money, not to love the club.

It's a bonus if the CEO loves the club but I don't care if he do that. All I care about is that he is an excellent businessman that will take us back to the top again.

[Morph]

I dont post on forums often. I have watched what others post on various forums for years. Its gonna be a long one but i hope some people will read this.

I am so frustrated with Liverpool fc at the moment. Rafa is a top manager, he can assess what the opponents will do and manage to create a masterplan to try and stop them, our biggest problem is we havent the players to take advantage of this. Liverpool have a good team, but not a great one. in terms of quality we are 4th in the league. Therefore we done well to finish 3rd !
That is unacceptable ! This is why rafa came out with the statement that we have to act fast.

Rick Parry, were are you ??? Every pre season i await the news that we have signed a top player. It never happens. It never happened when houllier was in charge either, he spend loads of money on crap but we never got a topman. We won the cup treable on 2001 and i thought this is it a few top world class players to push on, it never happened. Same in 2005 after istanbul. Rafa thinks it. When was the last time liverpool bought a world class proven player ?????. The nearest since Dalglish left as manager is Alonso, and most reds didnt know him until Rafa paid 10 mill for him. When did we buy the last Zidane, ronaldo, eto, ronaldinho type top player ????????

We are a top club, we have the best fans and manager in europe. So why in every area do we act like a middle of the road outfit. The club shop is crap, the online shop crap, we are stuck in a timewarp. Liverpool fc is one of the biggest brands in the world but you go on the website and nothing is in stock. China, etc we could make loads.

Parry, forget the tickets in the final that was bad enough but i havent liked him for years. Gerrard contract ?, alves fee ?, these are a few examples of when Parrys arrogance have cost the club. We need 5 top players i think and centre half as backup for carra, agger and sami. a left midfielder cos we havent got one worth talking about at the club, a right midfielder cos we only have pennant and a top striker. Tevez or Eto would be my choise. To win the league, i think we need to do it. No more maybe men, we need the real deal !. Rafa knows we need topmen, will the americans give the money and will Parry get off the lazy, arrogant backside. Only time will tell. If we dont get them though Rafa will leave, he done it at valencia he left, he loved it there but they couldnt match his ambition.

Liverpool have a good team but its not good enough. Football has changed, money rules, even westham and villa spend it. If we dont move with the time s we will be left behind and we are to big for that !

Without sending to negative, we are good, the sprit of the club is unrivaled, Shankly made it and Rafa is carrying it on. The Kop is special, the club is special, lets have a team that is worthy of the name LIVERPOOL F.C !!!!!!!

Come on you reds !

You've obviously put a lot of thought into that post so i'm not going to pick holes in it, but welcome to the forum. What's bothering me is the sheer amount of negativity going round and the lack of perspective considering it's only June 4th. If anything this stands to be one of the most exciting times in our history and there's a growing sense of negativity.

One could argue:

We've completed our buyout very successfully with two very rich men who are saying all the right things and look to be the men to take the club to the next level.

They've totally revised the plans for the stadium, increasing the initial capacity and building a stadium for us to be proud of

They've said they'll put up the cash for the transfers that Rafa wants

Our season has been over less than a fortnight, we've signed some good young players and we've already got the likes of Voronin, Leto, Leiva tied up.

The Spanish season, where many expect us to do most of our business isn't even over yet, and we're currently in the middle of internationals which makes negotiations between players and agents difficult.



Now conversely you could argue for most of those points we've seen no action as of yet, but sometimes we just have to be patient. We know Rafa wants to see us making waves in the transfer market and i fully expect us to conclude at least one deal by the end of the week with the internationals finishing. So while your post is a goodun, you might have been better waiting a month or so before posting it imo.

[Parm]

You've obviously put a lot of thought into that post so i'm not going to pick holes in it, but welcome to the forum. What's bothering me is the sheer amount of negativity going round and the lack of perspective considering it's only June 4th. If anything this stands to be one of the most exciting times in our history and there's a growing sense of negativity.

One could argue:

We've completed our buyout very successfully with two very rich men who are saying all the right things and look to be the men to take the club to the next level.

They've totally revised the plans for the stadium, increasing the initial capacity and building a stadium for us to be proud of

They've said they'll put up the cash for the transfers that Rafa wants

Our season has been over less than a fortnight, we've signed some good young players and we've already got the likes of Voronin, Leto, Leiva tied up.

The Spanish season, where many expect us to do most of our business isn't even over yet, and we're currently in the middle of internationals which makes negotiations between players and agents difficult.



Now conversely you could argue for most of those points we've seen no action as of yet, but sometimes we just have to be patient. We know Rafa wants to see us making waves in the transfer market and i fully expect us to conclude at least one deal by the end of the week with the internationals finishing. So while your post is a goodun, you might have been better waiting a month or so before posting it imo.

I can see the points both of you make and am somewhere angling towards you Morph. But the thing is, I really dont want to be saying the same things in a months time! Once the Internationals and Spainish seasons are over I think we'll see some big moves. Even the Chavs have only made a few bosman signings and the Arsenal have brought a Pole for their goal. I think we should let the mancs deal with their club and concentrate on ours.

[Snigger]

Parry has costed the club very much money, that is a fact that no one can deny.

We need a new CEO if we want to take a step forward and not stand still. We could easily have secured Alves last summer. We had agreed a fee with Sevilla but didn't botter to put the deal on paper for some reason so Sevilla could pull out and up the price. The same happened when we tried to sign Simao.

Is that how a good CEO works in the transfer market?

Parry was also responsible for the sky high wages paid to **** players like Diao and Cheyrou and that is a big reason to why Rafa hasn't been able to sign the players he want.

I know that the CEO must trust the manager but he can't back him over the limit like Parry did. Back him as much as the club can afford, not more than the club can afford. For being an accountant he didn't took that good care of our figures, did he?

When Houllier wanted to sign Cheyrou for example on very high wages then Parry should just have said no, we can't afford to pay an unproven player that much in wages. To big risk.

We didn't had the money to make gambles like that proven by our big debts and that Moores had to loan the club £10m to sign Kuyt. When you pay a player £50k+/week then he must be proven or you must have very much money to spend.

Parry isn't good enough. He may love the club to bits but that isn't what his job is. His job is to earn the club money, not to love the club.

It's a bonus if the CEO loves the club but I don't care if he do that. All I care about is that he is an excellent businessman that will take us back to the top again.

What a terrible post. The above is all no doubt fact and no doubt you were there to witness everything you have typed above! What people like you fail to realise is that buying a multi million pound footballer is not like walking into a shop and buying a packet of crisps.

[dww]

Parry has costed the club very much money, that is a fact that no one can deny.

We need a new CEO if we want to take a step forward and not stand still. We could easily have secured Alves last summer. We had agreed a fee with Sevilla but didn't botter to put the deal on paper for some reason so Sevilla could pull out and up the price. The same happened when we tried to sign Simao.

You do realise that it requires both sides to sign the agreement for it to be binding? Even if we did in principle have a deal negotiated do you not think that it is at the least possible the reason it fell through is that either a/ circumstances changed at the selling clubs or b/ they had agreed a deal in the hope that we would think that seeing as the deal had gone so far we should just pay the extra £Xm and get it done?

We have had, and realisitically always will have, a limited budget and as such can't actually keep paying the extra money - it just doesn't work like that.

[Flight]

What a terrible post. The above is all no doubt fact and no doubt you were there to witness everything you have typed above! What people like you fail to realise is that buying a multi million pound footballer is not like walking into a shop and buying a packet of crisps.

Every time we have missed out on top players we have had excuses from the club - he wasn't available, the selling club put the price up at the last minute, he didn't really want to come. In the case of Simao we were told rafa only targeted him on the last day of the transfer window, but now we know Rafa and Simao were constantly in touch and trying to push it through for over a week.

Now Rafa has publically come out and blamed Parry for messing up transfer after transfer, so that he has missed his first choices. Then he has had to wheeler deal at the end of every transfer window, when hardly anyone is available, also messing up pre season training.


Either Parry is incompetent or Rafa is an outrageous liar.


Going on Parrys record, I believe he is incompetent.


Messing up contract renewals - letting Owens run out to less than 12 months, nearly losing Stevie.


Basic administration - Rafa didn't even have a room to sleep in the night of the CL Final, so he was walking the streets.


The state of our marketing department - or rather lack of it (we don't have one).


The joke that is our ticketing system for the last decade, epitomised by the lack of communication and planning over the CL Final tickets.

The above is all facts Snigger.

Though please don't think I'm saying that I am fretting over the present situation and lack of significant transfers since the CL Final.

All I'm saying is that Parry is not competent enough to be CE of such a major club. He needs a rocket up his arse when it comes to sorting transfers out.

[dww]

The above is all facts Snigger.

Though please don't think I'm saying that I am fretting over the present situation and lack of significant transfers since the CL Final.

All I'm saying is that Parry is not competent enough to be CE of such a major club. He needs a rocket up his arse when it comes to sorting transfers out.

I think you are putting a very specific spin on Rafas words. He said that he was tired of the talk and that we hadn't made the moves he wanted. Very different to saying "Parry ****ed up a bunch of moves I wanted".

[Snigger]

The above is all facts Snigger.

Though please don't think I'm saying that I am fretting over the present situation and lack of significant transfers since the CL Final.

All I'm saying is that Parry is not competent enough to be CE of such a major club. He needs a rocket up his arse when it comes to sorting transfers out.

Either Parry is incompetent or Rafa is an outrageous liar.


Going on Parrys record, I believe he is incompetent.


Messing up contract renewals - letting Owens run out to less than 12 months, nearly losing Stevie.


Basic administration - Rafa didn't even have a room to sleep in the night of the CL Final, so he was walking the streets.


The state of our marketing department - or rather lack of it (we don't have one).


The joke that is our ticketing system for the last decade, epitomised by the lack of communication and planning over the CL Final tickets.

FACT? Messing up contract renewals? you can't make people sign contracts - neither Gerrard or Owen knew what they wanted and in truth it was they who ****ed the club about whilst trying to decide, not Parry. That is my opinion and not fact - he could have forced them out but who wanted that?

Rafa didn't have a room to sleep in? Even if it's true do you think Parry books the hotel rooms personally or do you think the club has a travel manager and use an agency and maybe it was on of them that made a mistake with the bookings?

Marketing, I agree with you - but I expect that to change very soon.

CL final tickets was UEFA's **** up not the club's -

Not everything is perfect at Liverpool, but you cannot blame everything on the CEO just as a Bank would not blame some day to day **** ups on their CEO, companies employ senior and middle management and sometimes they have to take some of the responsibility.

Rick Parry may not be perfect, but he's a better than a lot of them out there and the real facts are that we don't actually know what goes on behind closed doors at the club or in contract negotiations and far too many people are happy to jump factless onto any old bandwagon that happens to be passing and far too many people are guillible enough to believe what others say on the internet and in the media, and far too many so called 'facts' which are nothing more than somebodies negative opinions are banded around.

[Bob]

Parry has costed the club very much money, that is a fact that no one can deny.

We need a new CEO if we want to take a step forward and not stand still. We could easily have secured Alves last summer. We had agreed a fee with Sevilla but didn't botter to put the deal on paper for some reason so Sevilla could pull out and up the price. The same happened when we tried to sign Simao.

Is that how a good CEO works in the transfer market?

Parry was also responsible for the sky high wages paid to **** players like Diao and Cheyrou and that is a big reason to why Rafa hasn't been able to sign the players he want.

I know that the CEO must trust the manager but he can't back him over the limit like Parry did. Back him as much as the club can afford, not more than the club can afford. For being an accountant he didn't took that good care of our figures, did he?

When Houllier wanted to sign Cheyrou for example on very high wages then Parry should just have said no, we can't afford to pay an unproven player that much in wages. To big risk.

We didn't had the money to make gambles like that proven by our big debts and that Moores had to loan the club £10m to sign Kuyt. When you pay a player £50k+/week then he must be proven or you must have very much money to spend.

Parry isn't good enough. He may love the club to bits but that isn't what his job is. His job is to earn the club money, not to love the club.

It's a bonus if the CEO loves the club but I don't care if he do that. All I care about is that he is an excellent businessman that will take us back to the top again.

I only got as far as, "Parry has costed the club very much money", but i get the gist.

[Flight]

FACT? Messing up contract renewals? you can't make people sign contracts - neither Gerrard or Owen knew what they wanted and in truth it was they who ****ed the club about whilst trying to decide, not Parry. That is my opinion and not fact - he could have forced them out but who wanted that?

Rafa didn't have a room to sleep in? Even if it's true do you think Parry books the hotel rooms personally or do you think the club has a travel manager and use an agency and maybe it was on of them that made a mistake with the bookings?

Marketing, I agree with you - but I expect that to change very soon.

CL final tickets was UEFA's **** up not the club's -

Not everything is perfect at Liverpool, but you cannot blame everything on the CEO just as a Bank would not blame some day to day **** ups on their CEO, companies employ senior and middle management and sometimes they have to take some of the responsibility.

Rick Parry may not be perfect, but he's a better than a lot of them out there and the real facts are that we don't actually know what goes on behind closed doors at the club or in contract negotiations and far too many people are happy to jump factless onto any old bandwagon that happens to be passing and far too many people are guillible enough to believe what others say on the internet and in the media, and far too many so called 'facts' which are nothing more than somebodies negative opinions are banded around.

1. Contracts - if players won't sign you ship them the **** out as soon as they have no more than 24 months left. I'm not going to debate the Stevie debacle; he was ready to resign as soon as the CL final was over. The owen thing was beyond a joke - on the bench for the first game of the season yet still spinning bull**** about resigning.

2. Rafa not having a room to sleep in (and yes its true) - your reaction is probably exactly the same as Parrys is on many things. Pass the buck, its someone elses responsibility. For something as important as that, no matter who is responsible for booking, the club should be double and triple checking that everything is in order. Not doing that is base incompetence.

3. When I spoke about the CL Final tickets I was talking about the way they were allocated to us and the lack of communication about it from the club. It was farcical. On top of that ticketing and sales has been a joke at our club for a decade.



You seem to share a lot of Parrys approaches - pass the buck and blame someone else. He should be identifying these types of issues and either deal with them himself or appoint people at the club to do it for him.


These are just high profile examples of things not being sorted properly. This attitude permeates the club at every level (outside of the playing and coaching staff). There must be things happening on a daily level in a similar vein.


Maybe I'm totally wrong but we'll see what responsibilities Parry has in a year or two's time, if he is still here.

[CAD]

Timewarp = Moores.

[Snigger]

1. Contracts - if players won't sign you ship them the **** out as soon as they have no more than 24 months left. I'm not going to debate the Stevie debacle; he was ready to resign as soon as the CL final was over. The owen thing was beyond a joke - on the bench for the first game of the season yet still spinning bull**** about resigning.

2. Rafa not having a room to sleep in (and yes its true) - your reaction is probably exactly the same as Parrys is on many things. Pass the buck, its someone elses responsibility. For something as important as that, no matter who is responsible for booking, the club should be double and triple checking that everything is in order. Not doing that is base incompetence.

3. When I spoke about the CL Final tickets I was talking about the way they were allocated to us and the lack of communication about it from the club. It was farcical. On top of that ticketing and sales has been a joke at our club for a decade.



You seem to share a lot of Parrys approaches - pass the buck and blame someone else. He should be identifying these types of issues and either deal with them himself or appoint people at the club to do it for him.


These are just high profile examples of things not being sorted properly. This attitude permeates the club at every level (outside of the playing and coaching staff). There must be things happening on a daily level in a similar vein.


Maybe I'm totally wrong but we'll see what responsibilities Parry has in a year or two's time, if he is still here.

Do you have any idea what a CEO of a company has to do? You are looking for a despot to run the company at a micro level not a Chief Executive Officer, a company has to run on so many levels and many people are responsible for that happening or not happening, ultimately the CEO lives and dies by the performance of the company and two European Cup finals and an FA cup in 3 years is a better return than all but Chelsea and Manu in this country, and more importantly we are improving.

I think we will have to agree to differ, but if you had your way Gerrard would be playing for Chelsea now and that would be a disaster.

PS - don't get me wrong, I'm not a Parry fan and if the club can find someone better to replace him then happy days - but he does get a lot stick which isn't always justified,