If we signed Forlan for £16 million....

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Forlan failed at Manu, but his form in Spain has been **** hot. To say we will never win the league under Rafa is nieve, we will never win the league under any manager unless we compete in the transfer market. Benitez is one of the best and most respected managers anywhere at the moment and I for one wouldn't swap him for anyone right now.

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My worry is who is out there that we could get. Villa, Torres, Eto'o, Tevez, all out of our league i'm afraid. Darren Bent, Jermain Defoe? I really am starting to panic, I don't care what Hicks and Gillett say.

So what has been the price rumored for Tevez? I would take him over Eto'o any day. Especially if we save some money into the bargain.

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I've read in various papers the fee for E'to to Milan is quoted as £25M/40M Euro's/$50m Dollars

Now that is a price I would be prepared to pay.

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Forlan failed at Manu, but his form in Spain has been **** hot. To say we will never win the league under Rafa is nieve, we will never win the league under any manager unless we compete in the transfer market. Benitez is one of the best and most respected managers anywhere at the moment and I for one wouldn't swap him for anyone right now.

I only worry that we haven't come close to winning it under Rafa, we haven't had a sniff. Even if we get the big signings that we need, there is a bedding in time that will bring average results until Christmas, by which time we will be out of the race....AGAIN. Rafa out.

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So what has been the price rumored for Tevez? I would take him over Eto'o any day. Especially if we save some money into the bargain.

£40 million. No.Way.

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would it change your opinion of Rafa?

IMO, I don't think it would ever happen. But as it is clear we can't afford a top bracket striker, if Forlan did come in, would you start to believe me when I say we will never win the league with Rafa in charge?

He isn't. But if we have him up front we will finish 4th, not win away from home until January, get humiliated away against big sides, and have a decent run in the champions league. Not good enough.

Your argument is completely circular. If we sign Forlan and he is just average then fair enough it is further evidence that Rafa has not got an eye for PL worthy strikers and without one we are much less likely to win the league. But if Forlan came and he completed the team and scored a bucket load of goals then your whole argument falls down.

We have only very speculative rumours (now denied to link us to a move for Forlan) anyway. So I suspect you are trying to use this as evidence to allow you to come forth with an anti-Rafa stand point without getting abused.

I don't really think the game against Chelsea away was a humiliation. Those against Arsenal and Man United were bad but I think that our team progressed over the season and those games came relatively early on.

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£40 million. No.Way.

$40m more realistic.

Football is painting itself into a corner with these transfer fees. At some point it has to stop.

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I think Forlan could do a job for us

















I mean those bogs aint gonna clean themself are they?

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AGAIN. Rafa out.

FLMAO

[Reds08]

Your argument is completely circular. If we sign Forlan and he is just average then fair enough it is further evidence that Rafa has not got an eye for PL worthy strikers and without one we are much less likely to win the league. But if Forlan came and he completed the team and scored a bucket load of goals then your whole argument falls down.

We have only very speculative rumours (now denied to link us to a move for Forlan) anyway. So I suspect you are trying to use this as evidence to allow you to come forth with an anti-Rafa stand point without getting abused.

I don't really think the game against Chelsea away was a humiliation. Those against Arsenal and Man United were bad but I think that our team progressed over the season and those games came relatively early on.

Exactly, Rafa's inability to bring in players (with excpetions) that can really make the difference means that we are going to struggle early on every season, because he then brings in more average players that aren't good enough. He isn't a good manger in england im afraid, bring back Evans.

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[QUOTE=Reds08;504566]Exactly, Rafa's inability to bring in players (with excpetions) that can really make the difference means that we are going to struggle early on every season, because he then brings in more average players that aren't good enough. He isn't a good manger in england im afraid, bring back Evans.[/QUOTE]

Because all the players Roy bought were great!

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Exactly, Rafa's inability to bring in players (with excpetions) that can really make the difference means that we are going to struggle early on every season, because he then brings in more average players that aren't good enough. He isn't a good manger in england im afraid, bring back Evans.

Sorry mate I can't agree with you on that, so we haven't won the league yet, Rafa may have made soem poor signing, but look at what Evans, Houllier, Souness, Ferguson, Mourinho have made, every manager makes bad signing, that doesn't make them a bad manager

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If that happend I would get 'Gus' tattooed on my forehead and 'Hiddink' on my dick....or maybe the other way around for practical reasons

I'm the original Guus fanatic around here bud. Ask the guys who are ex-Koptalkers.

As for the thread, there's no way I would believe that we are signing Forlan, but I did say the same about Crouch.

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Exactly, Rafa's inability to bring in players (with excpetions) that can really make the difference means that we are going to struggle early on every season, because he then brings in more average players that aren't good enough. He isn't a good manger in england im afraid, bring back Evans.

This is crap. The problem at the start last season was the form of our existing players post world cup. Carragher looked crushed, Xabi and Stevie tired and frnkly the less said about Reinas early season form the better.

I would argue that most of Rafas buys have been good: Reina, Alonso, Agger, Garcia particularly. You use evidence very selectively. Even accepting your point which seems to be that Rafa can't judge players, he has expressed his frustration at not getting his first choice targets before, what makes you think he won't now go for pure squad improvements.

The players we boughtin struggled because the established team and pattern were not functioning. Rafa has consistantly out performed Wenger in the last two seasons and started from a much poorer team.

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This is crap. The problem at the start last season was the form of our existing players post world cup. Carragher looked crushed, Xabi and Stevie tired and frnkly the less said about Reinas early season form the better.

I would argue that most of Rafas buys have been good: Reina, Alonso, Agger, Garcia particularly. You use evidence very selectively. Even accepting your point which seems to be that Rafa can't judge players, he has expressed his frustration at not getting his first choice targets before, what makes you think he won't now go for pure squad improvements.

The players we boughtin struggled because the established team and pattern were not functioning. Rafa has consistantly out performed Wenger in the last two seasons and started from a much poorer team.

Contradiction. Shall we list the good ones against the bad ones then? Selective evidence is using four good buys and claiming that is 'most'.