Crouch & Kuyt Goals/Starts Ratios

[topscorer]

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Neither of them can be called 'impact' players if you look at goals scored when coming off the bench but the goal to starts ratio is good for both.

Is it worth buying any striker if we cannot spend the cash to get someone better than who we have?

Everyone talks about a 20 goal a season striker but what striker can be expected to score 20 goals from 19 EPL starts (27 all comps)?

Drogba got 20 EPL goals from 32 starts and 29 goals all comps from 50 starts.

They are fantastic stats but I don't think any striker will get that many starts at Liverpool, even a 35 million one!

Thoughts?

[El Jefecito]

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Neither of them can be called 'impact' players if you look at goals scored when coming off the bench but the goal to starts ratio is good for both.

Is it worth buying any striker if we cannot spend the cash to get someone better than who we have?

Everyone talks about a 20 goal a season striker but what striker can be expected to score 20 goals from 19 EPL starts (27 all comps)?

Drogba got 20 EPL goals from 32 starts and 29 goals all comps from 50 starts.

They are fantastic stats but I don't think any striker will get that many starts at Liverpool, even a 35 million one!

Thoughts?

Kuyt's ratio will be even better when he gets to play as a CF rather than a silly AM. Voronin will take that role and make Kuyt twice the player he was last season.

All Hail The Crow

[topscorer]

It was also his first season with the club.

I'm sure he will do better next season but I also think that Crouch is still under rated even by Liverpool supporters. He can only score goals if he's given time on the pitch and even with his 27 starts he hasn't been given a full game most of the time.

[El Jefecito]

It was also his first season with the club.

I'm sure he will do better next season but I also think that Crouch is still under rated even by Liverpool supporters. He can only score goals if he's given time on the pitch and even with his 27 starts he hasn't been given a full game most of the time.

Don't disagree, but the biggest difference next year will come from Kuyt playing as a CF.

[topscorer]

So you think Voronin will get more starts than Crouch next season because Kuyt is Rafa's number one striker and he wants to play him in position and couldn't this season.

[El Jefecito]

So you think Voronin will get more starts than Crouch next season because Kuyt is Rafa's number one striker and he wants to play him in position and couldn't this season.

Not more starts, but more goals+assists. Voronin is out of the top drawer.

[captainfog]

Veronin won't play there next season, that role will be reserved for Stevie/Lucus/Garcia/Tevez type signing

With two quality wingers in the bag (fingers crossed) stevie will play in the middle and if we are going to play 1 up front then Stevie will get the role just behind.

IMO anyway

[topscorer]

Well I'm not going to let you hijack my Crouch/Kuyt appreciation thread and turn it into a Voronin appreciation thread!!

I don't know enough about him to make a judgment but it's a bold statement to say he's better than Crouch which is what you're saying if you think he'll get more goals and assists with a similar number of starts.

Bellamy's stats don't look too good and rumors are strong about him leaving so it seems to me that speculation should be looking at pacey strikers available rather than a big front man.

Or if you think it will be a Kuyt/Voronin partnership what kind of striker do we need to partner Crouchie and get the best out of him?

[captainfog]

Well I'm not going to let you hijack my Crouch/Kuyt appreciation thread and turn it into a Voronin appreciation thread!!

I don't know enough about him to make a judgment but it's a bold statement to say he's better than Crouch which is what you're saying if you think he'll get more goals and assists with a similar number of starts.

Bellamy's stats don't look too good and rumors are strong about him leaving so it seems to me that speculation should be looking at pacey strikers available rather than a big front man.

Or if you think it will be a Kuyt/Voronin partnership what kind of striker do we need to partner Crouchie and get the best out of him?

Rafa studies his stats so you are probably right, Kuyt will get more games than Crotch. Throw a new striker onto the pitch and I think Crotch will be 3rd choice. i disagree with you when you say he isn't an impact player off the bench. The stats don't tell the whole story. He quite often is the catalyst for a late attacking surge by using his height to unsettle tired defences.

[Kilteragh]

You've actually made a very good point.

I don't think any striker can be a 20+ goalscorer in the league if only starting that amount of games. Makes you appreciate Crouchy more really.

If a super striker is brought in for anything over £20M he will be branded a failure for not scoring more than 20, even though he will probably have been rotated on a regular basis.

Bring back Owen I tell you. Value for money.

Can only see Voronin being used for home games if the previous points are accurate. Who would you sacrifice fom the current midfield to play him?

[MrMichael]

Well I'm not going to let you hijack my Crouch/Kuyt appreciation thread and turn it into a Voronin appreciation thread!!

I don't know enough about him to make a judgment but it's a bold statement to say he's better than Crouch which is what you're saying if you think he'll get more goals and assists with a similar number of starts.

Bellamy's stats don't look too good and rumors are strong about him leaving so it seems to me that speculation should be looking at pacey strikers available rather than a big front man.

Or if you think it will be a Kuyt/Voronin partnership what kind of striker do we need to partner Crouchie and get the best out of him?

Quality - you can tell this one's been lurking a while, he knows the ways of this forum!

Seriously though, good thread. Last point first, Bellamy is a player with the ability, but not the mental aptitude to make it under Rafa. I genuinely thought he might attain legend status at Anfield a year ago, but it quickly became obvious that he isn't great at being part of a discciplined system. He has pace, but naturally he isn't good at being the nippy, Owen-esque, shoulder of the last man, finisher. In fact he'd much rather play in the positions Kuyt has been taking up this year, but in a speedy, flowing, attack minded side (a la Keegan's Barcodes). We'll make a tidy profit on the lad, and he'll do well at another smaller club

Which leaves Kuyt, Crouch, and Voronin. And currently, Kewell and Garcia, who can both arguably play as second strikers. Not withstanding their relative abilities, or the fact that it is impossible to know what formation Rafa will employ from week to week, let alone in the future, and hence the partnerships that might be employed, but the one thing those 5 are obviously lacking is a serious speed merchant. I believe both Kuyt and Crouch can score plenty of goals with some better quality attacking flair and creativity in the team, but in terms of Rafa's "possibilities", we desperately need a genuinely pacey striker, who is also disciplined and team-orientated.

Who that actually will be I have no idea

[bigfooty]

The fact is Crouch should always start.

Our win percentage when he starts in all competitions is fantastic, regardless of who is partner is. Personally I like the Crouch & Kuyt duo because it often means Kuyt players further up the pitch. When he (Kuyt) was paired with Bellamy or anyone but Crouch he normally moved about the pitch more and rarely ended up where he needs to be i.e. in the box. We lose focus in attack and our team breaks down. The most criminal display of this was against Man City towards the end of the season when we fielded a side with 10 of the 11 who played against Milan (only diff was Arbeloa instead of Zenden) yet frequently the guy in middle of the box was Riise!

My worry is that this isn't a Crouch fault, it is a Rafa fault. Even if we get Villa or Torres or whoever there is no guarantee that we'll send a side out with a clearer direction up front.

[Sus]

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Neither of them can be called 'impact' players if you look at goals scored when coming off the bench but the goal to starts ratio is good for both.

Is it worth buying any striker if we cannot spend the cash to get someone better than who we have?

Everyone talks about a 20 goal a season striker but what striker can be expected to score 20 goals from 19 EPL starts (27 all comps)?

Drogba got 20 EPL goals from 32 starts and 29 goals all comps from 50 starts.

They are fantastic stats but I don't think any striker will get that many starts at Liverpool, even a 35 million one!

Thoughts?

I'm not sure of the best way to do this, but it would also be interesting to see of their starts, how many times Kuyt and Crouch played the full 90 minutes. Wonder if that would affect these stats?

[topscorer]

I'm not sure of the best way to do this, but it would also be interesting to see of their starts, how many times Kuyt and Crouch played the full 90 minutes. Wonder if that would affect these stats?

I didn't check that but I did notice that Crouch didn't do a full 90 minutes in ANY of the EPL games that he scored!!