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    Some look on 'bunking in as badge of honour', says GaillardJun 27 2007


    by Nick Smith, Liverpool Daily Post

    WILLIAM GAILLARD last night risked re-igniting Liverpool’s row with UEFA by claiming supporters see getting in to grounds without tickets as “a badge of honour.”

    UEFA’s director of communications insisted it was difficult to stamp out the problem encountered at the Champions League final in Athens five weeks ago, even though the European governing body has announced a series of new security measures.

    UEFA’s plans came in light of a Home Office review that included recommendations to develop training for stadium safety officers, stewards and police across Europe.

    It follows problems involving Manchester United fans in Lens and Rome, Tottenham supporters in Seville and Liverpool fans in Athens with the Home Office saying there should be more emphasis on steward-ing rather than using riot police.


    Gaillard admitted that only a small minority of fans were responsible on May 23, but feels the determination of some Liverpool supporters would make the extra measures difficult to enforce.


    He said: “If you go to the football supporters’ organisation’s website, you will see it’s quite interesting the testimony of the Liverpool fans who were in Athens and many experienced problems. They said there is a small group of people that, and they put it this way, make it a badge of honour to get into stadiums without paying.


    “That’s also a case in some English stadiums and supporters themselves are saying that.


    “The problem, I think, is very much a marginal one in England, but away we have problems.


    “We have drinking problems, which is more prevalent in Northern Europe. All these factors make it difficult to have a pan-European policy, but this is what we are working on.”


    Gaillard infuriated Liverpool with his initial analysis of the chaos at the ticket gate in the Athens Olympic Stadium that pointed the finger firmly at the behaviour of supporters – the club claim this was caused by an inadequate ticket allocation of 17,000.


    Gaillard did concede, however, that incidents during the 1980s that led to the banning of English clubs from European competition might have rebounded on supporters of Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham in the way they were dealt with by the police last season.


    He added: “I understand the feelings of English fans and it’s true that sometimes they are probably unfairly targeted because of the past and because of lingering memories of what happened in the 1980s.


    “It is also true that such patterns of behaviour of English fans abroad cause problems that are different from the problems caused by foreign fans.”


    Galliard also highlighted problems in other areas of Europe which were linked to darker forces than the drinking synonymous with English supporters abroad.


    He added: “Drinking, for example, is often absent in southern Europe. In southern Europe, you have another type of violence, linked often to extremist political movements or racist groups, which are really serious problems.


    “But some southern European police forces are just not used to fans that have been drinking a bit too much. It’s a different way to celebrate, if you like.”
    --== Because the gang and the government is no different ==--

    #2
    I don't really see what the problem is here apart from the fact he hasn't retracted what he said before.
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    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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      #3
      Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
      I don't really see what the problem is here apart from the fact he hasn't retracted what he said before.
      Did I say there was a problem?
      --== Because the gang and the government is no different ==--

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        #4
        Originally posted by tomasjj View Post
        Did I say there was a problem?
        I'd have thought the "clown" tag implied a certain negativity towards him.

        Although actually I was really referring to the reporter's twist on the story that he threatened "re-igniting Liverpool's row with UEFA".
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        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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          #5
          Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
          I'd have thought the "clown" tag implied a certain negativity towards him.

          Although actually I was really referring to the reporter's twist on the story that he threatened "re-igniting Liverpool's row with UEFA".
          I assumed he is still a clown.

          Yeah, the reporter has a twist on it, but I don't see what the clown has to gain by opening this can of worms again.
          --== Because the gang and the government is no different ==--

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            #6
            He is right, the english drinking culture does of course increase the chance of trouble. He is also right that foreign police unfairly target English fans.
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              #7
              Originally posted by tomasjj View Post
              I assumed he is still a clown.

              Yeah, the reporter has a twist on it, but I don't see what the clown has to gain by opening this can of worms again.
              I expect it was at the announcement of UEFA's new stewarding proposals - see the thread in the FootIE forum. He is UEFA's official spokesperson; it's his job to talk at such things.

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              Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                #8
                Originally posted by captainfog View Post
                He is right, the english drinking culture does of course increase the chance of trouble. He is also right that foreign police unfairly target English fans.


                He also mentions the political motivations behind violence among southern European fans - I suppose this is a reference to Italy in particular - and he's right about that too. It makes for a far more balanced statement than most hitherto (at least in terms of how they are reported over here).
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                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                  #9
                  yet a drining culture is considered fine and acceptable if you're from ireland and scotland ... galliard is talking ****e again imo.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by samo View Post
                    yet a drining culture is considered fine and acceptable if you're from ireland and scotland ... galliard is talking ****e again imo.
                    Would you say that alcohol does not fuel incidents with English fans? It certainly fuels a lot of fairly loutish behaviour around here on Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights.
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                    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                      #11
                      Guys

                      This is his way of building a case from the reduction of CL slots for the countries with 4.
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                        #12
                        The man is not a clown.....clowns are funny.
                        Just when I discovered the meaning of life, they changed it

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                          #13
                          I'm from Australia and have no real knowledge of this topic. I have read a lot about it however and want to say this.

                          UEFA need to get their head out of their arse and start showing a little expertise.

                          No, sorry, they need to show a lot of expertise. The CL final is the 2nd biggest sporting event on the planet.

                          I actually think we will see improved measures for the future. Having a go at the 40,000 Liverpool supporters that travelled to Athens just does not cut it. Everyone knows that will happen when we, or for that matter ManU, make the final. UEFA dodged a bullet perhaps a nuclear bomb when ManU didnt make it.

                          They would of blamed the fans for the carnage that most likely would of occured but in time they would of been seen as the culprit. They must sort this out and stop the tout paradise they support. It can be done, it should be done and really there are no excuses.

                          If they do not sort it out i expect the EU to take action and noone at UEFA wants that.

                          All this this is just my opinion and it is made from afar so i am sorry if it offends.

                          PS UEFA can go F*** themselves
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by John_Gotti View Post
                            Guys

                            This is his way of building a case from the reduction of CL slots for the countries with 4.
                            Really? How?
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                            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                              #15
                              Originally posted by samo View Post
                              yet a drining culture is considered fine and acceptable if you're from ireland and scotland ... galliard is talking ****e again imo.
                              Nah, this time he's right. But then again, UEFA's job is to stop this, not help it by holding a major final where tickets are scarce at a stadium with no turnstiles and bogs outside the fence !!

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