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    Just thought i'd post this article which is on the beeb site by Phil Mcnulty, it's a very good read and is spot on regarding Carra's decision the Mclown's decission:

    Jamie Carragher's public profile is low-key to the point of invisibility - light years away from the cult of celebrity that has submerged England's under-achieving national team.

    So it is ironic that Liverpool defender's decision to consider his England future has brought so much attention to a player who is happy to stay well beneath the radar of publicity.

    And Carragher added fuel to the fire by ringing a radio station in fury at being branded a bottler by a presenter - even appearing to suggest a good old-fashioned Scouse straightener next time they meet.

    Carragher should have brushed off such ignorant and ill-informed insults.

    A "bottler" does not play as he has for Liverpool and England in recent seasons - or volunteer to take a penalty in a World Cup quarter-final shoot-out when other colleagues stood back.

    And a bottler certainly does not have every major club honour bar the title in his trophy cabinet.

    The serious question is whether Carragher is right to end his England career to concentrate on helping Liverpool finally mount a serious Premier League title challenge.

    And I believe he is.

    England coach Steve McClaren's treatment of one of Europe's finest defenders has arguably been more insulting than having Carragher's courage questioned by someone specifically paid to provoke such a debate.

    McClaren might just swing the idea of picking Ledley King ahead of him in the absence of the injured Rio Ferdinand in Estonia, although I would still have picked Carragher.

    But the selection of Wes Brown - not even outstanding in his favoured position of centre-back - instead of Carragher as right-back was surely the final straw.

    McClaren will disagree but this was a desperately poor and inexplicable decision.

    And it rightly crystalised doubts Carragher already had in his mind about his role with England.

    Why should he, at 29 and with limited time remaining at the top left, turn up for England and be treated in such a fashion?

    And sorry, I don't buy all the hysterical 'three lions' jingoism that states that the call of your country comes above all else.

    It certainly doesn't in the north of England.

    Ask Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United and Manchester City fans whether country comes before club and I'd wager a large amount on the majority answering in the negative.

    Sorry if this comes as a shock to some but most football fans put club before country every time.

    At this stage of his career, Carragher does not need to prove his quality or worth to McClaren.

    He has been doing that for years against the finest strikers in the world at home and abroad.

    And he also has no need to turn up for a few five-a-sides or a McClaren coaching masterclass only to sit in the stands at the end of it all.

    If McClaren wanted to send a message to Carragher that his England future was behind him, then picking Brown ahead of him in Estonia did the job.

    Carragher had every right to be insulted and decide to focus on Liverpool.

    England is not the be-all and end-all for Carragher. Liverpool is and that is why he has decided to channel all his efforts into winning more trophies with the Merseysiders.

    This is not the decision of a bottler, it is an understandable move by a player who has made a realistic assessment of his England future.

    Liverpool will be the beneficiaries, as will their fans, who would not mind another 10 "bottlers" like Carragher in their side.
    They've won the league, bigger stars than Dallas, they've got more silver than Buckhingham Palace, no one knows quite what to expect, when the Red Machine's in full effect!

    #2
    Good article and he's 'spot on' although I would say it was more just the North West of England rather than the whole of the North because people I've met from Yorkshire and the North East tend to generally be far more jingoistic and patriotic.

    Maybe that's because over the Pennines they are descended from Anglo Saxons rather than Celts like most Scousers and Mancs? Or it could just be that there are no decent footie teams in the North East so they have to cling onto the national side for glory like the Southerners and Midlanders...

    I have a few Manc mates (proper ones who go to the match and don't slag Scousers off like the prawn sandwich muppets they detest) and they have no interest in 'Team England' either. In fact, no self-respecting Scouser or Manc would ever be seen wearing an England shirt or having a St George's Cross or Union Jack tattoo...
    There is a light that never goes out. RIP Alan "Mally" Johnston and the 96. YNWA.

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      #3
      Originally posted by rushscored4 View Post
      Good article and he's 'spot on' although I would say it was more just the North West of England rather than the whole of the North because people I've met from Yorkshire and the North East tend to generally be far more jingoistic and patriotic.

      Maybe that's because over the Pennines they are descended from Anglo Saxons rather than Celts like most Scousers and Mancs? Or it could just be that there are no decent footie teams in the North East so they have to cling onto the national side for glory like the Southerners and Midlanders...

      I have a few Manc mates (proper ones who go to the match and don't slag Scousers off like the prawn sandwich muppets they detest) and they have no interest in 'Team England' either. In fact, no self-respecting Scouser or Manc would ever be seen wearing an England shirt or having a St George's Cross or Union Jack tattoo...
      Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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        #4
        Originally posted by rushscored4 View Post
        Good article and he's 'spot on' although I would say it was more just the North West of England rather than the whole of the North because people I've met from Yorkshire and the North East tend to generally be far more jingoistic and patriotic.

        Maybe that's because over the Pennines they are descended from Anglo Saxons rather than Celts like most Scousers and Mancs? Or it could just be that there are no decent footie teams in the North East so they have to cling onto the national side for glory like the Southerners and Midlanders...

        I have a few Manc mates (proper ones who go to the match and don't slag Scousers off like the prawn sandwich muppets they detest) and they have no interest in 'Team England' either. In fact, no self-respecting Scouser or Manc would ever be seen wearing an England shirt or having a St George's Cross or Union Jack tattoo...

        as a matter of interest, what are pubs like for england games over in liverpool and manchester? the pubs in yorkshire or the ones i know around harrogate/leeds/sheffield are always rammed for england games, is it the same around the north west?
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        Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

        Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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          #5
          Originally posted by red g View Post
          as a matter of interest, what are pubs like for england games over in liverpool and manchester? the pubs in yorkshire or the ones i know around harrogate/leeds/sheffield are always rammed for england games, is it the same around the north west?
          Actually in Manchester the pubs are pretty busy for competitive games but the city has a wider mix of people from all areas due to its large universities and varied job opportunities. As I said, the 'proper Mancs' I know are far more interested in their club than 'their' country.

          I've not lived in Liverpool for many years and would never go over there to watch an England match on TV so I can't really answer that but myseld and every other Scouser I know would put club before country every time.
          There is a light that never goes out. RIP Alan "Mally" Johnston and the 96. YNWA.

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            #6
            Deleted due to duplication - thanks good old BT Internet!
            Last edited by rushscored4; 12-07-07, 02:50 PM.
            There is a light that never goes out. RIP Alan "Mally" Johnston and the 96. YNWA.

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              #7
              Liverpool ahead of England for me, but I do own an England shirt and I do wear it for competitive matches. For me personally I have no club/country conflict. The Reds are always first.

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                #8
                I couldn't give 2 hoots about England.
                RAFA! RAFAEL! RAFA! RAFAEL! RAFA! RAFAEL! RAFAEL BENITEZ!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by red g View Post
                  as a matter of interest, what are pubs like for england games over in liverpool and manchester? the pubs in yorkshire or the ones i know around harrogate/leeds/sheffield are always rammed for england games, is it the same around the north west?
                  The student pubs will be rammed. The local boozer is just for an excuse for a bevvy with the lads if an england game is on. No one I go to the match with gives a **** about england. I certainly don't. Didn't Wenger get slagged in the press a while back saying the england/international standard is below the premiership. England supporters are mongs anyway. Who gives a ****?

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                    #10
                    Mates a Boro fan and when i said i'd prefer to win the 1st game of the season than for England to win the world cup.

                    He said he'd prefer to win the toss.

                    As RS4 say's can't think of anyone who'd ware an England top and goes week in week out.

                    Only good thing re England is you get great odds against them, que France England when they went a goal behind.
                    Its times like these we learn to live again FF

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                      #11
                      ericksson and mclaren have taken any enjoyment out of england games, cant deny used to enjoy them in the eighties/early nineties
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                      Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

                      Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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                        #12
                        Ingerland is a southern thing, only ever seen them live once and that was Phil Neals testimonial.

                        I really have no interest in them what so ever except for hoping our players dont get injured.
                        I know its little, but thats David Banner. Just wait untill you see the Incredible Hulk

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by RedJedi View Post
                          Ingerland is a southern thing, only ever seen them live once and that was Phil Neals testimonial. I really have no interest in them what so ever except for hoping our players dont get injured.

                          I have to confess I took my eldest son along to watch England beat Finland at Anfield a few years ago. It was a 'treat' for his 10th birthday to be fair as I couldn't get a ticket for him to watch the Reds. He enjoyed the experience but I absolutely ****ing hated it. I was in the Lower Centenary surrounded by cockney knobheads who shouted abuse throughout the game until England scored...

                          :whatever:
                          There is a light that never goes out. RIP Alan "Mally" Johnston and the 96. YNWA.

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                            #14
                            Good article alright and I would agree! I remember a few years back when during the 2002 world cup in Japan. Someone in work was giving the usual I hope England get stuffed and I said how I'd be supporting any team with Liverpool players. So then I was asked which I would prefer Ireland winning the World Cup or Liverpool winning the League. My answer was Liverpool winning a game!

                            Don't get me wrong I fully support Ireland but it doesn't mean nearly as much as LFC

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