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    #31
    Originally posted by SpeedyG View Post
    Our best line-up will depend on the oppostion. I don't think Rafa would select the above for a game against the big guns. At the very least SG would be playing at WR. Xabi would be at your AM, although he would be playing much deeper.

    Kuyt would play instead of Voronin and Riise could play at WL with someone else filling in at LB.
    I guess it will be certain players for certain games and also formations, i think Rafa was getting fond of playing 3 at the back with wing backs in certian games
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      #32
      Originally posted by thesilverfoxlfc View Post
      I guess it will be certain players for certain games and also formations, i think Rafa was getting fond of playing 3 at the back with wing backs in certian games
      He's only played 352/532 5 or so times. I don't think we'll see it any more than that in the future. If we'd got Alves, then maybe Rafa would have second thoughts, but not now methinks.
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        #33
        ---------------------Reina---------------------
        Finnan ------Carra------- Agger---------Aurelio (or Heinze if he comes)
        Pennant-----Gerrard------Mascher------Kewell
        -------------------Kuyt------------------------
        ---------------------Torres---------------------


        But there won't really be such a thing as a first choice 11 as it will vary from game to game depending on the opposition. I'd imagine we'd play a lone striker for a lot of games, particularly away in Europe, and Babel and Alonso will get a lot of game time too.
        Last edited by calvoboy; 16-07-07, 11:44 PM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by calvoboy View Post
          I'd imagine we'd play a lone striker for a lot of games, particularly away in Europe, and Babel and Alonso will get a lot of game time too.
          Surely our midfield is strong enough now that it can cope without the extra man. Maybe against the bigger teams we might need to overload the midfield, but for 90% of the teams we should only need the four.
          If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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            #35
            Originally posted by AFII View Post
            -----------------Reina
            Finnan------Carra-------Agger-----Aurelio
            --------------Mascherano
            -------Gerrard------------Alonso
            -----Kuyt---------Torres------Babel

            When everyone is fit.
            yep.. EPL chamions team
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            in august we will rise from the ashes of ****e and march on again

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              #36
              Everyone seems to be agreeing with/eulogising about AFII's team - the one with Kuyt and Babel on the wings?

              That side looks awfully narrow to me. Since when has Kuyt been a right winger or an inside right? That formation looks alien to me...can't see Benitez going with a side like that.

              It'll be more 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1, IMO.

              Something like:

              -------------------Reina---------------------

              Finnan ------Carra-------Agger--------- Heinze

              -----------Alonso------Mascherano------

              Gerrard----------------------------------------Babel

              ------------Crouch---------Torres--------------

              Obviously Rafa will prefer to Dirk to Crouchie but I don't, so...
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                #37
                Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                Everyone seems to be agreeing with/eulogising about AFII's team - the one with Kuyt and Babel on the wings?

                That side looks awfully narrow to me. Since when has Kuyt been a right winger or an inside right? That formation looks alien to me...can't see Benitez going with a side like that.

                It'll be more 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1, IMO.

                Something like:

                -------------------Reina---------------------

                Finnan ------Carra-------Agger--------- Heinze

                -----------Alonso------Mascherano------

                Gerrard----------------------------------------Babel

                ------------Crouch---------Torres--------------

                Obviously Rafa will prefer to Dirk to Crouchie but I don't, so...
                This team is the most likely one, obviously Kuyt coming in for crouch as mentioned.

                Pennant and crouch will then come on for the last half hour for xabi and Kuyt gerrard can slot in the middle.

                I think this thread proves we have possibilities now. I love the fact that our subs can change a game now.
                _____________________________________

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                  #38
                  Kuyt-Torres
                  Kewell-Alonso-Mascherano-Gerrard
                  Aurelio-Agger-Carragher-Finnan
                  Reina

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by RedReet View Post
                    Surely our midfield is strong enough now that it can cope without the extra man. Maybe against the bigger teams we might need to overload the midfield, but for 90% of the teams we should only need the four.
                    Against some teams I think we only need three I like AF's formation.
                    * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                      Everyone seems to be agreeing with/eulogising about AFII's team - the one with Kuyt and Babel on the wings?

                      That side looks awfully narrow to me. Since when has Kuyt been a right winger or an inside right? That formation looks alien to me...can't see Benitez going with a side like that.

                      It'll be more 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1, IMO.

                      Something like:

                      -------------------Reina---------------------

                      Finnan ------Carra-------Agger--------- Heinze

                      -----------Alonso------Mascherano------

                      Gerrard----------------------------------------Babel

                      ------------Crouch---------Torres--------------

                      Obviously Rafa will prefer to Dirk to Crouchie but I don't, so...

                      Is there much width to this team either Shaggy? Admittedly I’ve only seen Babel play up front, but being right footed, surely he’ll favour coming inside the full back than going to the by-line. Then with Stevie given licence to roam, that only leaves our full backs for natural width.

                      I think people are becoming too obsessed with this winger thing. Most people still think we have no chance unless we buy this ‘world-class’ winger, and dismissing most formations without natural width on the flanks.

                      Don’t get me wrong, I think 4-4-2 will be our most likely formation, but not every game will require our wingers to go down the outside and get crosses in. The fact that all our CM’s were happy to sign new contracts also indicates to me that we wont be playing 4-4-2 all the time, as it’s unlikely all four could be kept happy with just two spots available.
                      If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by AFII View Post
                        -----------------Reina
                        Finnan------Carra-------Agger-----Aurelio
                        --------------Mascherano
                        -------Gerrard------------Alonso
                        -----Kuyt---------Torres------Babel

                        When everyone is fit.

                        Probably line up more like

                        ------------------Reina
                        Finnan------Carra-------Agger-----Aurelio
                        --------Mascherano----Alonso
                        ----------------Gerrard
                        -----------Kuyt---------------Babel
                        -----------------Torres
                        *

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                          #42
                          ...........Reina

                          Finnan Carra Agger Riise

                          .......Masher Alonso

                          Gerrard....Kuyt.......Babel

                          .............Torres

                          Carson
                          Hyppia
                          ??? New Italian lad / Heinze ???
                          Arbeloa
                          Aurillo
                          Momo
                          Lucas
                          Yossi
                          Kewell
                          Pennant
                          Voronin
                          Crouch

                          Thats nearly a team and a top quality 11 to replace it.

                          Emmo

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                            #43
                            I think this comming season we have to think more about roles and responsibilities rather than individuals.

                            ............................Keeper
                            .......R.Back......C.Back....C.Back......L.Back
                            ..............H.Midfielder.......H.Midfielder
                            ........................A.Midfielder
                            .........S.Striker.....................S.Striker
                            ........................Target Man

                            Keeper Picks himself at the moment
                            R.Back Finnan, Arbeloa, Paletta
                            L.Back Riise, Insua, Aurelio
                            C.Back Agger, Hyypia, Carragher, Paletta (Any pairing)
                            H.Midfielder Alonso, Mascherano, Sissoko
                            A.Midfielder Gerrard, Benayoun, Lucas
                            S.Striker Babel, Benayoun, Voronin, Kewell, Pennant
                            Target Man Torres, Kuyt, Crouch

                            Set up as a diamond attacking four in front of the two defensive midfield, this would give one of the defensive midfield pair the opportunity to break forward also enabling the fullbacks to be more adventurous. Could this fit in with Rafa's recent comments about the team being more exciting and attacking this coming season.

                            Voronin could even play the A. Midfielder role looking at his strength and the way he kept the ball against Wrexham. I would also suggest that this gives more oportunities to play the key players so as to keep them happy.

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                              #44
                              Reina
                              Finnan Carra Agger New left back
                              Alonso Masch
                              Gerrard Kuyt Kewell/Babel
                              Torres
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                                #45
                                Personally I think these formations with 2 Holding Midfield players are too defensive. Our weak point has been goal scoring, not defending, in recent seasons.

                                I think we need to have as many players as possible( within reason) who offer a genuine, regular goal threat.

                                Finnan, Carra, Agger, Riise, Alonso, Masher, between them they scored about 6-8 league goals last season (I think but I haven't checked )

                                So that only leaves 4 probable goal scorers, not enough in my opinion.Especially at Anfield where many teams put 10/11 men behind the ball we really don't need both Masher and Alonso.

                                We need to attack , so...

                                ---------------Reina--------------

                                Finnan----Carra----Agger-----LB

                                -------------Mash/Xabi-----------

                                Kewell-----------SG---------Babel

                                ---------Torres--------Crouch-----

                                Kewell and Babel can switch wings at times

                                Obviously this relies upon Kewell being fit and Torres and Babel settling well.

                                As several posters have pointed out we need to find another 30ish more goals (probably), 2 DMs will not give us this imo

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