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    Well bit of a dirth of decent things to talk about at the moment so i've just been having a look over some of the stats i've noted down over a few years, and probably the improvement that stands out a mile off is our home form. Rafa really is turning Anfield back into a fortress, just looking back over the last 3 seasons, the games we've lost at home are:

    04/05 -- Man U (PL), Chelsea (PL), Birmingham (PL), Grazer (CL) (5 Draws all comps)

    05/06 -- Benfica (CL), Chelsea (PL), Sofia (CL) (5 Draws all comps)

    06/07 -- Arsenal (FA), Arsenal (CC), Mancs (PL), Barcelon (CL) (4 Draws all comps)

    Looking at 04/05, you can probably discount the Grazer match as we achieved what we needed from the match, but we did lose 3 at home, the B'ham wasn't acceptable, but you might say being beaten by the two teams above you could be expected, especially with Rafa settling into his first season.

    Looking at 05/06, we can probably ignore the result vs Sofia for what it was worth, the Benfica match we definitely weren't at the races and it was a match we should have expected to win so no excuses there, and V Chelsea we deserved to be beaten but maybe not by the scoreline we did. So that's 2 notable defeats, only one in the PL.

    Looking at 06/07, we didn't field our first team vs Arse in the CC (hopefully the depth of our squad will remedy that), the CL defeat didn't matter at the time, and v the mancs we should never have lost (hopefully our reinforcements will help us win that type of game. So the only real bad result was the Arsenal FA cup match when we weren't at the races but those things happen. You could say this season we had 2/3 notable defeats depending on how you look at it.

    On the face of things our home form looks tremendous, okay so we know that isn't our problem, really it's the away days, but it's refreshing to think that we can fully expect to win just about every home game we play, i'll particularly be looking for our home performances v Chavs and Mancs, rather than worrying about the like's of B'ham etc. Hopefully our squad size and the types of signings we've made this summer will solve our main problems at home, maybe we could be in for an unbeaten home season this year.
    Thomas Hicks Senior

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    The results that really matter are those in the Premiership, and I think its really interesting that in 3 seasons there have only been a couple of bad results.

    In 2004/2005, we lost to United to a goal that went under Dudek. If memory serves correct, it was Morientes first game and we did have our chances in that game. We were very unlucky to lose that one.

    We also lost to Chelsea when we battered them, should have been given a blatent penalty and Lampard broke Alonso's ankle. We should not have lost that game at all.

    The Birmingham game was a bad defeat though. Can't say too much about that.

    In 2005/2006, the 4-1 defeat to Chelsea was just one of those things. I came away from that game thinking just that, there was no way there was 3 goals difference between the sides.

    Last season, the defeat to United was just a sucker punch. A last minute goal after dominating the game. Even Fegie admitted that we was the better side after the game!

    So in 57 games, losing 5 of them, only one was unacceptable. Our home record has been excellent since Rafa came. We just need to improve our away form and number 19 will be ours.
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      #3
      Originally posted by andyinswinton View Post
      The results that really matter are those in the Premiership, and I think its really interesting that in 3 seasons there have only been a couple of bad results.

      In 2004/2005, we lost to United to a goal that went under Dudek. If memory serves correct, it was Morientes first game and we did have our chances in that game. We were very unlucky to lose that one.

      We also lost to Chelsea when we battered them, should have been given a blatent penalty and Lampard broke Alonso's ankle. We should not have lost that game at all.

      The Birmingham game was a bad defeat though. Can't say too much about that.

      In 2005/2006, the 4-1 defeat to Chelsea was just one of those things. I came away from that game thinking just that, there was no way there was 3 goals difference between the sides.

      Last season, the defeat to United was just a sucker punch. A last minute goal after dominating the game. Even Fegie admitted that we was the better side after the game!

      So in 57 games, losing 5 of them, only one was unacceptable. Our home record has been excellent since Rafa came. We just need to improve our away form and number 19 will be ours.

      couldnt argue with that summary


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        #4
        Originally posted by andyinswinton View Post
        The Birmingham game was a bad defeat though. Can't say too much about that.
        We battered them more in that game than we did most other teams, should've had a clear penalty with a handball on the line, and they just got lucky from a corner at the end.

        I'd say it's unacceptable that we batter teams, but end up losing - same goes with Man Utd this season just gone. It's not acceptable to have so many chances and lose, and we need to remedy that.

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          #5
          Originally posted by andyinswinton View Post
          The results that really matter are those in the Premiership, and I think its really interesting that in 3 seasons there have only been a couple of bad results.

          In 2004/2005, we lost to United to a goal that went under Dudek. If memory serves correct, it was Morientes first game and we did have our chances in that game. We were very unlucky to lose that one.

          We also lost to Chelsea when we battered them, should have been given a blatent penalty and Lampard broke Alonso's ankle. We should not have lost that game at all.

          The Birmingham game was a bad defeat though. Can't say too much about that.

          In 2005/2006, the 4-1 defeat to Chelsea was just one of those things. I came away from that game thinking just that, there was no way there was 3 goals difference between the sides.

          Last season, the defeat to United was just a sucker punch. A last minute goal after dominating the game. Even Fegie admitted that we was the better side after the game!

          So in 57 games, losing 5 of them, only one was unacceptable. Our home record has been excellent since Rafa came. We just need to improve our away form and number 19 will be ours.
          Agree with what your summery, don't agree that it's on PL that matters, because those 2 results v Arse last season were as important as any (maybe not so much the CC but it was a good chance at getting to final).

          Thing is i'm sure theres a few games we didn't deserve to win but did, it's swings an roundabouts. My main point was that with the purchases we'veno made hopefully we can eradicate the 2 main problems we've had.

          1. Breaking down teams when they stick 10 men behind the ball, hopefully the likes of Torres, Babel, Benayoun will give us the creativity and drive to get through.

          2. Differences in class, on the odd occasion particularly v Chavs and Arse, it was a bit obvious that we lacked that extra bit of class to be able to match them. I don't think it was as big an issue last season with the signings we made then, but with our signings now, I don't think this will be an issue at all.
          Thomas Hicks Senior

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            #6
            Originally posted by DJS View Post
            We battered them more in that game than we did most other teams, should've had a clear penalty with a handball on the line, and they just got lucky from a corner at the end.

            I'd say it's unacceptable that we batter teams, but end up losing - same goes with Man Utd this season just gone. It's not acceptable to have so many chances and lose, and we need to remedy that.
            Correct

            As per my point above, hopefully we can finish of those chances now, and create even more, odds are the more you make the higher your chances to score will be
            Thomas Hicks Senior

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              #7
              the main thing that stands out to me in these three seasons are that united and chelsea always pop up. beating them is the key to the title. i'd hope we have a good enough attacking line now to finish off any other team, at home at least, as long as we can beat the other top 4 teams a few times we'll definately still be fighting it out in may.

              we've had rotten luck in these previous games, but it's started to come our way now, mourinho must hate playing us by now.

              here's to beating chelsea second game of the season, giving us all the emphasis we need for number 19

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                #8
                i was gutted we lost those two games against arsenal last season. The FA Cupp game wasn't so bad cos I'll always remember it for the first 6 minutes [result didn't matter to me much after that] but losing both meant no day out to Cardiff or Wembley. I love those cup final days out, and they don't end up costing you £800 to see 10 minutes of a game you couldn't give a **** about
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by smither View Post
                  the main thing that stands out to me in these three seasons are that united and chelsea always pop up. beating them is the key to the title.
                  I disagree here. The key to winning the title is not losing against your rivals at the top - and then beating the rest of the dross in the division. If we can manage that then we have a chance of #19
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                    #10
                    I am more than happy at what Rafa has achieved with our home form in recent years, but as has been said, our home games against the top sides are the crucial ones, and if we can win those games then we will become a better outfit and will be up there challenging for the title year in year out.

                    Our away form has been the worry though, and if we can improve there then I see no reason why Rafa can't get us to number 19 soon.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Howard_lfc View Post
                      I disagree here. The key to winning the title is not losing against your rivals at the top - and then beating the rest of the dross in the division. If we can manage that then we have a chance of #19
                      we've more or less sorted that out though, we do beat the dross, i know we had an awful start to the season last year but the fixtures really went against us, too many tough away games right from the off. i think we'll fare much better this season

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by smither View Post
                        we've more or less sorted that out though, we do beat the dross, i know we had an awful start to the season last year but the fixtures really went against us, too many tough away games right from the off. i think we'll fare much better this season
                        I don't buy this excuse. I know it's been used alot on here and on kcoktalk, but those matches has to be played, wheter its early, mid or late in the season, and should have no significance when we play 'em. How do you think the mancs would have done if they'd have that fixture list. They'd brushed em all aside. We lost 2-0 to Bolton and a couple of weeks later the mancs were 3 up within the first 10 mins or so.

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