Our man Henry Winter on King Kenny

[Neil Young]

It was a pretty bad error from Clemence though. Lucky goal really.

[El Jefecito]

Really, it's very sweet but please get on your feet, lad.

narcissist

[Neil Young]

narcissist

Yeah, you're right, it was narcissistic. Then again, as the song goes, love the one you're with.

[El Jefecito]

All sorts of deductions Best to walk away

[Neil Young]

All sorts of deductions Best to walk away

[El Jefecito]

[darkknight]

You're right and it was '76.

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......... thanks for that Neil, I thought it was '76 but didn t want to look a tit if I was wrong.

The other thing I recall now, is an interview with the King about the Clem nutmeg, and I think he said he scuffed it.

In other words - bit of a fluke, not quite quite the best place to put it, but thats ok - keep building the myth, Kenny is one of the very people I would cross the street to meet.

[El Jefecito]

......... thanks for that Neil, I thought it was '76 but didn t want to look a tit if I was wrong.

The other thing I recall now, is an interview with the King about the Clem nutmeg, and I think he said he scuffed it.

In other words - bit of a fluke, not quite quite the best place to put it, but thats ok - keep building the myth, Kenny is one of the very people I would cross the street to meet.

Both Kenny and Clem agree that it was a scuff!

[Shaggy]

How about this quote from Souey, on Kenny:

"I never saw anyone in this country to touch him. I can think of only two players who could go ahead of him – Pele and possibly Cruyff. He was He was better than Maradona, Rummenigge or Platini. I would say that on his day he was, without any shadow of a doubt, the best player in the world."

Graeme Souness

I read this out to a Manc who is now going off his rocker with incredulity. He, naturally, thinks George Best was better than ANY of those players.

Thoughts?

[zimbo]

How about this quote from Souey, on Kenny:

"I never saw anyone in this country to touch him. I can think of only two players who could go ahead of him – Pele and possibly Cruyff. He was He was better than Maradona, Rummenigge or Platini. I would say that on his day he was, without any shadow of a doubt, the best player in the world."

Graeme Souness

I read this out to a Manc who is now going off his rocker with incredulity. He, naturally, thinks George Best was better than ANY of those players.

Thoughts?

To be fair though, I think Souness said that in the documentary on Kenny that was made in 1986, prior to the Mexico World Cup. He may have revised his opinion re. Maradona, but either way, Kenny would still be in the Top 5, no question.

[JRC]

With Best, there is the question of whether he wsted his talent. There have been plenty of outrageously gifted footballers - with more 'skill' than the King, maybe, but the total Kenny package involves application, 'game intelligence' and especially vision etc. Best did win the EC and European Player of the Year, but was bumming around the US league by the time he was, what, 27, so that somewhat works against him - but it's not a conclusive argument.

Contrary to the above Manc attitude, in a Times Online podcast last season, the Manc statistician (Bill Edgar) made a throwaway comment - talking about how high and far from the pitch you can be at the back of some new stadia - specifically the Nou Camp - he described the effect of watching the game as making him 'feel like Kenny Dalglish' - i.e. in having an all-encompassing persepctive on the movement and positions of the players etc. All the other contributors seemed to fully understand his meaning and I certainly did; yet I never expected it to be so casually used amongst non-Reds (OK, Bhoys & Scots as well) - almost as if it were one of those needs-no-explanation, taken-for-granted football analogies - like Puskas' left-footedness, Pat Jennings' hands or Le Tissier's penalty taking - a cliche even. Anyone else heard it used in this way?

[Shaggy]

With Best, there is the question of whether he wsted his talent. There have been plenty of outrageously gifted footballers - with more 'skill' than the King, maybe, but the total Kenny package involves application, 'game intelligence' and especially vision etc. Best did win the EC and European Player of the Year, but was bumming around the US league by the time he was, what, 27, so that somewhat works against him - but it's not a conclusive argument.

Contrary to the above Manc attitude, in a Times Online podcast last season, the Manc statistician (Bill Edgar) made a throwaway comment - talking about how high and far from the pitch you can be at the back of some new stadia - specifically the Nou Camp - he described the effect of watching the game as making him 'feel like Kenny Dalglish' - i.e. in having an all-encompassing persepctive on the movement and positions of the players etc. All the other contributors seemed to fully understand his meaning and I certainly did; yet I never expected it to be so casually used amongst non-Reds (OK, Bhoys & Scots as well) - almost as if it were one of those needs-no-explanation, taken-for-granted football analogies - like Puskas' left-footedness, Pat Jennings' hands or Le Tissier's penalty taking - a cliche even. Anyone else heard it used in this way?

Very interesting.

No, I've never heard Kenny's name used like that.