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    Originally posted by Venton View Post
    Don't you start too!
    they even commited it to writing el feck meo
    "When Sir Henry broke a fast, you cursed double glazing."

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      Originally posted by Venton View Post
      Don't you start too!
      BTW is that Lionel Richtea in your advatar
      "When Sir Henry broke a fast, you cursed double glazing."

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          Originally posted by kemm1 View Post
          He's fcuking 20 years years old and it's only his second game for the club FFS!!!

          Whats that gotta do with it?Owen was 18 and making an impact in world cup finals.Rooney was 16 and scoring in premiership.The 2 Ronaldo's,Messi etc.The guy was educated in one of the best footballing academy's.What has his age got to do with?

          We look at people at his age and forget that he is actually a man proberbly in his prime of fitness and physical ability.He should be better than he has been imo.If he's one of these guys that need an arm around the shoulder all time to give him his confidence to put on a red shirtand give his everything for it, then thats £11.5m badly spent imo.We had one of those type of players in Heskey.We can't afford to have these kind of players in the team because by the time he's mentally prepaired for the challenge,wer'e playing catch up and looking at 3rd or 4th place again.It may sound cruel but imo that a reality,and carrying players or accomodating,we will be looking up at the other teams in May thinking if only again.We need the players for now,and apart from Torres and Veronin,our buys this summer so far havn't improved us.
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            Originally posted by kop-al-74 View Post
            Whats that gotta do with it?Owen was 18 and making an impact in world cup finals.Rooney was 16 and scoring in premiership.The 2 Ronaldo's,Messi etc.The guy was educated in one of the best footballing academy's.What has his age got to do with?
            Owen and Rooney were playing for the clubs they grew up at and didnt move abroad, over in Holland Babel was meant to have played great. Ronaldo was no were near the player he is now when he first started at United, it took him a season to settle. I think it might be a bit to early to judge him only in August.

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              Originally posted by Quinncy View Post
              What were you expecting,a barnstorming 5-0 win when they still have to come to Anfield?.



              Away goal/clean sheet=JOB DONE.



              And BTW We play Chelsea on Sunday.
              Did you watch the game?

              Yes, professional job, clean sheet, away goal, blah blah, etc. but no denying it was one of the worst games of football I have ever seen. It was so boring I got excited about a throw in. Toulouse are a pile of donkey, they had several "shots" on goal and my nan would have made a better effort.

              I seriously think that I should have stayed in work, the trip they made to Tescos sounds way more exciting!

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                Originally posted by kop-al-74 View Post
                Whats that gotta do with it?Owen was 18 and making an impact in world cup finals.Rooney was 16 and scoring in premiership.The 2 Ronaldo's,Messi etc.The guy was educated in one of the best footballing academy's.What has his age got to do with?
                Gerrard wasnt as good as Owen, Messi etc when he was 20. He turned out alright didnt he? Same with Zidane and Henry. Henry was very poor in the majority of his first season in England.
                We look at people at his age and forget that he is actually a man proberbly in his prime of fitness and physical ability.He should be better than he has been imo.He should have learnt by now that he has to match kop-al-74's expectations by now. Rafa, Wenger and Van Basten know **** all about nurturing talent in comparision to him.
                If he's one of these guys that need an arm around the shoulder all time to give him his confidence to put on a red shirtand give his everything for it, then thats £11.5m badly spent imo.Who told you he needs an arm around the shoulder to give him confidence? Did he come in your dream asking you for you arm? Your statement is presumptious and nothing more.We had one of those type of players in Heskey.And Gerrard up until a couple of years.We can't afford to have these kind of players in the team because by the time he's mentally prepaired for the challenge,wer'e playing catch up and looking at 3rd or 4th place again.It may sound cruel but imo that a reality,and carrying players or accomodating,we will be looking up at the other teams in May thinking if only again.We need the players for now. Even if you were to personally bankroll a 100mil for Ronaldinho/Messi/Kaka/Tevez/Another they would also need time to gel with team and adapt to the team's style of play. The only players who wouldnt need that would be the ones who we got rid of. Rafa has bought players with the bigger picture in mind. He knows that realistically we can only close the gap with Chelsea/ManU this season. The team he is assembling is for challenging for a few good years. Look at Mourinho. He bought Shevchenko and Ballack to win CL. It didnt turn out so well did it. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram just because you want the title now. Those incharge are much more sensible(and knowledgeable and experienced).,and apart from Torres and Veronin,our buys this summer so far havn't improved us.
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                  Oh get off of your high horse,you might get a nose blead!:whatever:Who doesn't want to win the league right now? Obviously you.

                  I have every right to expect a performance from the lad for the money wev'e spent on him.I saw more from Cisse on his debut than from Babel .Very average.
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                    Originally posted by kop-al-74 View Post
                    Oh get off of your high horse,you might get a nose blead!:whatever:Who doesn't want to win the league right now? Obviously you.

                    I have every right to expect a performance from the lad for the money wev'e spent on him.I saw more from Cisse on his debut than from Babel .Very average.
                    Give the lad a bit more time mate.

                    He's got lots of talent I think he'll come good but he does need time to settle.
                    **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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                      Originally posted by kop-al-74 View Post
                      I have every right to expect a performance from the lad for the money wev'e spent on him.I saw more from Cisse on his debut than from Babel .Very average.

                      Thankfully our scouts and Rafa have taken more than a couple of hours of football to decide how good he is. I dont know what qualifications you have on scouting players, but I think I will trust Rafa and co until I see enough of him myself.
                      How you can judge a player in this short space of time when he is in a new country playing in a different role than what he was used to?

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                        Originally posted by Venton View Post
                        Hello! Is it tea you're looking for?.....
                        "When Sir Henry broke a fast, you cursed double glazing."

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                          Originally posted by Pacman View Post
                          Give the lad a bit more time mate.

                          He's got lots of talent I think he'll come good but he does need time to settle.
                          Yep,your right.All i'm saying is i'm so far not convinced.I hope i'm wrong about him and he turns out to be the player we are all hoping we are getting.Also the fact that no one seems to know what his best position is doesn't help.And compairing him to Henry and the way he devoloped is really short sited.
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                          'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

                          Bill Shankly.

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                            Originally posted by Woobus View Post
                            Thankfully our scouts and Rafa have taken more than a couple of hours of football to decide how good he is. I dont know what qualifications you have on scouting players, but I think I will trust Rafa and co until I see enough of him myself.
                            How you can judge a player in this short space of time when he is in a new country playing in a different role than what he was used to?

                            Why do i need a qualification to give an opinion.Football is a game where people watch and everyone has a opinion.Right?

                            Thats why we have internet chat forums.So we can all discuss things and give opinions.I have explained my reasons and until now i'm yet to be proved wrong by anyone.
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                            'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

                            Bill Shankly.

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                              Originally posted by kop-al-74 View Post
                              Yep,your right.All i'm saying is i'm so far not convinced.I hope i'm wrong about him and he turns out to be the player we are all hoping we are getting.Also the fact that no one seems to know what his best position is doesn't help.And compairing him to Henry and the way he devoloped is really short sited.
                              **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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                                I think there have been good signs from a lot of players so far this season but we badly need to get people setting a tempo from early on. The first half against Villa was interminable, we dominated but created little. Much the same could be said about the Toulouse game. We won both and dominated but we need to finish games off and score more goals if we are to challenge for the league.

                                From what I've seen I think that Babel and Torres have the pace and skill to add another dimension to our play from last year. However we need to look to release them earlier and occasionally consider carrying the ball from deeper of playing quick balls on the floor up to our forwards, at the minute we take to long to get attacks going and the opposition has time to set up their defense.

                                Obviously there should be a liberal scattering of IMOs in the above.
                                "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                                -- William Blake

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