Gerrard and this injection

[dww]

true, and I hope he does, but as has been mentioned earlier, he has the England camp doctors/players/manager/coaches/press all ****ing his head up. Who knows how this one will end up?

The thing is though we didn't say any of this when he played for us against Chelsea. I tend to think that players should never play with this sort of injection as in the long term it does lead to a greater number of injuries. I know why people make the distinction (Liverpool bias + the fact we do pay his wages) but the fact we risked worsening the injury right after it was done gives us much less of the moral high ground on this issue.

[Guest]

You'll be pissed off if he plays and is out for 6 weeks though

No I won't mate. We've coped without him till then.

[Guest]

The thing is though we didn't say any of this when he played for us against Chelsea. I tend to think that players should never play with this sort of injection as in the long term it does lead to a greater number of injuries. I know why people make the distinction (Liverpool bias + the fact we do pay his wages) but the fact we risked worsening the injury right after it was done gives us much less of the moral high ground on this issue.

I go now.

[Parm]

The thing is though we didn't say any of this when he played for us against Chelsea. I tend to think that players should never play with this sort of injection as in the long term it does lead to a greater number of injuries. I know why people make the distinction (Liverpool bias + the fact we do pay his wages) but the fact we risked worsening the injury right after it was done gives us much less of the moral high ground on this issue.

well actually, I still think we haver the moral high ground. Ok so we gave him an injection to play against chelski. It's clear though that after the game, the injury was still bad and Stevie would be out for a few weeks. Since then we've not picked him and allowed him to rest. It's clear that our doctors, who see him day to day, know that another injection will cause him lots of problems. I'm sure we've told England this, but no doubt they'll ignore it.

[Neil Young]

I go now.

At last, some good news.

[Parm]

I go now.

hurrah!!! Fredo's finally gone!!

[Dhav]

The thing is though we didn't say any of this when he played for us against Chelsea. I tend to think that players should never play with this sort of injection as in the long term it does lead to a greater number of injuries. I know why people make the distinction (Liverpool bias + the fact we do pay his wages) but the fact we risked worsening the injury right after it was done gives us much less of the moral high ground on this issue.

it might give us less of a moral high ground admittedly, but the difference is if we take a risk with Gerrard, we're the ones who suffer the consequences of his resultant absence when it goes wrong. He's our asset, we make the call.

You can't say england are taking a gamble with him here that is likely to impact negatively on them in the short or long term. They are gambling with our asset and we'll suffer the consequnces and pay his wages when he cant play (assuming it worsens the injury)

I still dont see how England can justify risking him when the clear losers will be us if it goes wrong.

[Pacman]

At last, some good news.

[Pacman]

it might give us less of a moral high ground admittedly, but the difference is if we take a risk with Gerrard, we're the ones who suffer the consequences of his resultant absence when it goes wrong. He's our asset, we make the call.

You can't say england are taking a gamble with him here that is likely to impact negatively on them in the short or long term. They are gambling with our asset and we'll suffer the consequnces and pay his wages when he cant play (assuming it worsens the injury)

I still dont see how England can justify risking him when the clear losers will be us if it goes wrong.

What he said

[dww]

it might give us less of a moral high ground admittedly, but the difference is if we take a risk with Gerrard, we're the ones who suffer the consequences of his resultant absence when it goes wrong. He's our asset, we make the call.

You can't say england are taking a gamble with him here that is likely to impact negatively on them in the short or long term. They are gambling with our asset and we'll suffer the consequnces and pay his wages when he cant play (assuming it worsens the injury)

I still dont see how England can justify risking him when the clear losers will be us if it goes wrong.

If you follow the logic that appears to be in McClarens head that we can't beat Isreal (FFS) without Gerrard then should he be further injured in that match then England have no hope against Russia. So there is an argument there is a short term risk for England.

To be hoenst I think there needs to be an overhaul of the way injuries are treated at international level. In this instance the risks are clearly higher for us and we do pay his wages but if I was McClaren I wouldn't give a **** to be honest - his concern has to be for England only and there is every chance Stevie will be fit for the next set of internationals even if he is injured now.

If we had rested him all the time I think we could have pulled him out of the squad - as it is we are just going to have to accept that we have fantastic cover for him and hope for the best. We should also campaign for a better UEFA/FIFA regime for sorting out club/country disagreements on this sort of issue.

[Diego]

and it's only israel, if they can't win without him, they don't deserve to win...

[Dhav]

well actually, I still think we haver the moral high ground. Ok so we gave him an injection to play against chelski. It's clear though that after the game, the injury was still bad and Stevie would be out for a few weeks. Since then we've not picked him and allowed him to rest. It's clear that our doctors, who see him day to day, know that another injection will cause him lots of problems. I'm sure we've told England this, but no doubt they'll ignore it.

[sonsofthedesert]

and it's only israel, if they can't win without him, they don't deserve to win...

England the one man team.

[Dhav]

If you follow the logic that appears to be in McClarens head that we can't beat Isreal (FFS) without Gerrard then should he be furtehr injured in that match then England have no hope against Russia. So there is an argument there is a short term risk for England.

To be hoenst I think there needs to be an overhaul of the way injuries are treated at international level. In this instance the risks are clearly higher for us and we do pay his wages but if I was McClaren I wouldn't give a **** to be honest - his concern has to be for England only and there is every chance Stevie will be fit for the next set of internationals even if he is injured now.

If we had rested him all the time I think we could have pulled him out of the squad - as it is we are just going to have to accept that we have fantastic cover for him and hope for the best. We should also campaign for a better UEFA/FIFA regime for sorting out club/country disagreements on this sort of issue.

Can't really disagree with any of that

Seems to me McClaren wants to risk Gerrard against Israel, gambling that if it rules him out of the Russia game that Lampard will be back for that. If he is going to take the risk on Gerrard, I think the idea mooted yesterday is a decent compromise. Keep Gerrard back on the bench for Israel hoping England can win regardless, (which let's face it, they should be able to and if they can't they have no business being at Euro 2008 anyway) with the option of bringing him on if it goes wrong, but at least have the possibiliy of giving him a few more days rest and make sure he is more likely to be ready for the more crucial game against Russia in midweek. I'd be a lot happier with that than what McClown is thinking of doing.

[Jack D Rips]

I dont see why we should lose the moral high ground because we played him against Chelsea.

He is our player FFS and it was against one of our main rivals FFS. And he hasnt been even able to train properly since FFS

England are playing Israel FFS and they want to inject our £30mill £100k per week player FFS. McClaren is a ****ing coco FFS!

Rafa pull him out of that squad now FFS!

FFS!