Rethinking our judgements

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better than Shaggyesque's editing

cheers

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In fairness mate if he's improving all the time and he has done since January then that's all we can ask.
He will have his bad games like any player I just hope after this happens that people don't write him off again.
I have said I thought he was doing ok all along and you could see signs of what he was trying to do he does need to improve his end product and add a couple of goals but he is well worth his place in the team.

As for Kuyt in that article I have said exactly the same thing over the last few weeks about Kuyt.
If we win the EPL and Kuyt plays every game but doesn't score I won't care because you can be sure his presence in the team has helped to put us there.

so we can ask for a bit more

Rafa is a known admirer of people who work hard for the team, thats Kuyt anyone who cant see that does not know football, fact.

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so we can ask for a bit more

Rafa is a known admirer of people who work hard for the team, thats Kuyt anyone who cant see that does not know football, fact.

That's part of him improving continually

[calvoboy]

Heskey's the same as he's always been. Great to play with, works hard for the team, in many ways is an ideal partner for an out-and-out striker like Owen. BUT, he doesn't score enough goals himself and this can put too much pressure on his striking partner. So when Owen is scoring like he is at the moment, Heskey looks like a great partner with his flick-ons and hard work. When Owen is going through one of his barren patches though, Heskey's lack of goal threat is highlighted and people start to notice the missed headers, lack of agression, lack of control in tight situations, and the lack of composure in the box.

He's a fantastic player for a lesser club, great if you want to play one up front as Leicester did, and a good partner if you just want to provide the other striker with lots of chances and aren't worried about Heskey's lack of goals. For a balanced attack in a top-class team, he is not quite good enough.

[Chrono]

Wow, how quickly people forget. He is a **** player and will always be that way. He was blessed with more talent that most of those around him but he is built from butterfly wings.

Doesn't mean I don't wish him the best and I'm sure he is a nice guy but all this recent stuff about how good he is is bollocks, Crouch is 10 times the player and at least he can make a pass, move and has good control. Heskey is a bulldozer with no self belief to ever use the skills he has to progress beyond that.

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Wow, how quickly people forget. He is a **** player and will always be that way. He was blessed with more talent that most of those around him but he is built from butterfly wings.

Doesn't mean I don't wish him the best and I'm sure he is a nice guy but all this recent stuff about how good he is is bollocks, Crouch is 10 times the player and at least he can make a pass, move and has good control. Heskey is a bulldozer with no self belief to ever use the skills he has to progress beyond that.

who spent more time on his arse and offside than anything else

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Wow, how quickly people forget. He is a **** player and will always be that way. He was blessed with more talent that most of those around him but he is built from butterfly wings.

Doesn't mean I don't wish him the best and I'm sure he is a nice guy but all this recent stuff about how good he is is bollocks, Crouch is 10 times the player and at least he can make a pass, move and has good control. Heskey is a bulldozer with no self belief to ever use the skills he has to progress beyond that.

There is a huge difference to be a striker for a team with Rafa as manager compered to one managed by Houllier.

Who knows how good Heskey would be for us? I myself doubt that he would do any worse job than Crouch. He is quicker than Crouch so he would probably be better for us right now than him if you consider that he would act as cover for Torres.

We wouldn't need to change our tactics if we replaced Torres with Heskey but we would need to do that if we replaced Torres with Crouch because he is much slower than anyone of them.

[Morph]

There is a huge difference to be a striker for a team with Rafa as manager compered to one managed by Houllier.

Who knows how good Heskey would be for us? I myself doubt that he would do any worse job than Crouch. He is quicker than Crouch so he would probably be better for us right now than him if you consider that he would act as cover for Torres.

We wouldn't need to change our tactics if we replaced Torres with Heskey but we would need to do that if we replaced Torres with Crouch because he is much slower than anyone of them.

I do think if Heskey hadn't already been on his way when Rafa came he would have liked to have kept hold of him for a season, I think he might have been ideal for us under Rfa particularly in the league in that first season

[Chrono]

There is a huge difference to be a striker for a team with Rafa as manager compered to one managed by Houllier.

Who knows how good Heskey would be for us? I myself doubt that he would do any worse job than Crouch. He is quicker than Crouch so he would probably be better for us right now than him if you consider that he would act as cover for Torres.

We wouldn't need to change our tactics if we replaced Torres with Heskey but we would need to do that if we replaced Torres with Crouch because he is much slower than anyone of them.

Do you really think Heskey's minor difference in pace makes him a better player than Crouch?

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Do you really think Heskey's minor difference in pace makes him a better player than Crouch?

I didn't say that he is a better player. Only that he would suit our tactics better.

I don't think Heskey is any worse than Crouch.

[Angryred]

I think Heskey would have scored all the headers that Crouch should have!
Heskey was awesome in the air & such a stong header so I would have liken to see how Benitez would have done with him...ah hindsight's a great thing!

[carheex]

The writer of that article is living in dream land when he says that other than the signing of Torres, fand haven't been so excited since we got heskey!!!! I remember when all the talk was of us getting him - not one LFC i know or on web forums was pleased about it and for very good reason. Some of these journalists need to be shot!

[carheex]

who spent more time on his arse and offside than anything else

well said. Apart from houllier being in charge for those years, heskey was the next most frustrating thing. as an lfc fan, i was as happy as i've ever been when those 2 left the club. Happy days!!!

[memzey]

Ivanoe was a frustrating player but a good bloke and always gave 100%. I wasn't sad to see him leave as he wasn't up to the standard we required IMHO, but I don't take with this slagging him off lark. It was his dream to play for us and he gave it his best every time he pulled on the jersey.

Respect Emile

[dww]

I do think if Heskey hadn't already been on his way when Rafa came he would have liked to have kept hold of him for a season, I think he might have been ideal for us under Rfa particularly in the league in that first season

To be fair I think he would have loved to have had Heskey and not Cisse (especially as he would have had the extra money to buy a player of his choosing). It always seemed odd that we had the Cisse deal done for so long to me - managers and plans change so frequently in football it was a very poor decision and selling Heskey in the dying moments of the Houllier era seemed another odd decision.

In the end though I think the hardships and the mistakes have improved Rafas understanding of the PL and we can't change history. We have now arrived at a formidable squad with a manager who knows what works in the league.

Heskey has gone off and discovered a way to be consistent even if he will never fulfill his original potential. So everyone has ended up somewhere good for them.