Best World Managers List Issued

[Milan_Milan]

Wenger has won a couple of french leagues, 3 premier leagues (and consistently challenged), including doing the double on a couple of occasions and the unbeaten season, as well as winning the FA cup a few times and revolutionising the premier league in terms of fitness/diet etc.

He's acheived more than Rafa, great manager though he is, and should be ahead IMO.

Plus, didnt it say the article was from the London Times!

[Red_Al_77]

Wenger has won the league in two countries. Rafa in one. Wenger has not been relegated. Rafa has. Wenger has put together and managed a side that went unbeaten throughout a whole season. A remarkable feat. Yes Rafa has won European trophies and Wenger hasn't but on their career record as it stands Wenger has been more successful winning 18 club trophies as a manager compared to Rafa's 7. Thus I can see why Wenger makes a higher place than Rafa.

[fah-q]

How the **** is Jose 16 and Lippi (who won the world cup) is 17th?

[Morph]

He's acheived more than Rafa, great manager though he is, and should be ahead IMO.

23 places ahead u reckon then?

[Red_Al_77]

Wenger should be higher than Rafa but 23 places is a bit silly. Neither warrant the top 30 of all time anyway.

[Red_Al_77]

1. Bob Paisley
2. Brian Clough
3. Slur Alex
4. Bill Shankly
5. Sir Matt Busby
6. Herbert Chapman
7. Arsene Wenger
8. Bill Nicholson

That would be my top 8 in England

[Joe King]

Wenger has won the league in two countries. Rafa in one. Wenger has not been relegated. Rafa has. Wenger has put together and managed a side that went unbeaten throughout a whole season. A remarkable feat. Yes Rafa has won European trophies and Wenger hasn't but on their career record as it stands Wenger has been more successful winning 18 club trophies as a manager compared to Rafa's 7. Thus I can see why Wenger makes a higher place than Rafa.

Hasn't Rafa had less years as a manager?

[Red_Al_77]

Hasn't Rafa had less years as a manager?

Yep he has and Wenger has had more time to be sacked and relegated but hasn't been whereas Rafa has. As I said swings and roundabouts. Both are quality managers.

[sonsofthedesert]

1. Bob Paisley
2. Brian Clough
3. Slur Alex
4. Bill Shankly
5. Herbert Chapman
6. Arsene Wenger
7. Bill Nicholson

That would be my top 7 in England

That's fair.

[Joe King]

1. Bob Paisley
2. Brian Clough
3. Slur Alex
4. Bill Shankly
5. Herbert Chapman
6. Arsene Wenger
7. Bill Nicholson

That would be my top 7 in England

No Dalglish?

[bazza76]

Busby and Ferguson ahead of Shankly and Pasiley :whatever:
There is obviously a Man U influence in there somewhere.

[Red_Al_77]

No Dalglish?

I think you'll find that opinion is very divided as to whether Dalglish was a great manager. Whereas with the 7 I list I'd say there is no dispute

[wavydavy]

It's called modern day biased. Modern day events or people are seen as more significant than older incidents.

Totally agree. Are they honestly suggesting for example that Wenger is/was a greater manager than say Pozzo, manager of World Cup winners Italy in 1934/38. I ****ing hate lists like this. more Man U ****ing bias again. SIR matt, SIR alex.

[Redspin]

Wenger has won a couple of french leagues, 3 premier leagues (and consistently challenged), including doing the double on a couple of occasions and the unbeaten season, as well as winning the FA cup a few times and revolutionising the premier league in terms of fitness/diet etc.

He's acheived more than Rafa, great manager though he is, and should be ahead IMO.

Plus, didnt it say the article was from the London Times!

A pedant writes: "There is no such paper as the London Times". I thank you

[Redspin]

Wenger has won the league in two countries. Rafa in one. Wenger has not been relegated. Rafa has. Wenger has put together and managed a side that went unbeaten throughout a whole season. A remarkable feat. Yes Rafa has won European trophies and Wenger hasn't but on their career record as it stands Wenger has been more successful winning 18 club trophies as a manager compared to Rafa's 7. Thus I can see why Wenger makes a higher place than Rafa.

So why is Shankly higher than Paisley then?