Crouch storms out?

[kewellnthegang]

I'm somebody who comes here to debate stuff about Liverpool football club, not to read about people bitch slapping each other because they have nothing to say about the subject in hand. Leave that in the playground please.

:whatever:

you da man

[kewellnthegang]

[QUOTE=bigfooty;717189]Kuyt won a lot of plaudits because of his hard work last season, something that masked his lack of real quality in terms of touch, finishing and pace

[kev776]

Torres is doing the job Crouch did last season and much more.

We play a quicker game now, well, we are at least trying to do that, and that don't fit Crouch playing style.

Crouch slows down our game more than Voronin and Kuyt do and both of them also links up better with Torres because they are quicker than him.

We can't use Torres excellent link up play if Crouch plays with him, we can do that if Kuyt or Voronin plays.

Excellent point about Crouch and Torres but what about when speed doesnt work and we need to use one of Rafas famous "options" we need another method of unlocking defences and Crouch, when on form provides this. Torres can not and will not play every game and I cant see Kuyt scoring the needed 15 goals this season. Crouch will, given a good run inthe side.

[kev776]

:whatever:

you da man

Good man, at least you didnt bite.

[Harv]

:whatever:

you da man

I didnt think it was possible...but you are a bigger gob****e than Marky!

Is this how you're going to act the whole time?

[kewellnthegang]

I didnt think it was possible...but you are a bigger gob****e than Marky!

Is this how you're going to act the whole time?

sorry im not with ya clique fella i will try to nod me head and agree with some of the people on here more

feck what i think

[Harv]

sorry im not with ya clique fella i will try to nod me head and agree with some of the people on here more

feck what i think

the only clique im a certified member of on here is the 'music snobs'. You on the other hand seem to be on here purely to rub people the wrong way.

you may have opinions, and thats fine. But your abrupt style isn't doing you any favours. Nor is your "oh sorry im just a newbie, i'll tow the line from now on" replies.

[Dhav]

Dhavlos, surely the sheer nature of rotation should mean Crouch gets a fair share of games?

Except, he isnt.

Rafa's rotation policy doesnt take form into account when a player has a blinder, so why should it take form into account when crouch (or anyone else) is poor?

Im not knocking the rotation thing, but this is a fair point. It's my only real beef with rotation, regardless of form players know they will get dropped/picked.

The old adage of playing for your place stood us well for a long time.

The RCDNW brigade wont hear this.

Every other manager uses form as a guide, every pundit/analyst thinks it's the best way.

Sorry but they're not ALL wrong.

You guys make fair points.

DJS - I hope you're not implying I am a member of the RCDNW brigade; remember a few weeks ago I was with you and Cobain criticising the team Rafa put out at Pompey, and subsequently where I've argued that Rafa doesn't seem to be rotate as efficiently or as wisely as the other top managers. But remember Rafa is taking a long term view whereby we are primed to be at our peak in the final stages of the season - so let's see how we go then before judging him and his methods too soon.

It is correct to say Crocuh isn't getting his fair share of playing time compared to the other 3 strikers, but I think it is also fair to say he has been the poorest performer of the three when he has played - may be there is some correlation there? Or may be as AFII has pointed out Crouch just doesn't offer us as much in the system Rafa wants to play?

I don't feel it is right to say as fah-q has suggested that the rotation system takes all the motiviation out of playing, playing well and trying your hardest. A player knowing he will get games because of rotation and similarly knowing he will be rested regardless of form should not preclude a player from being motivated. At the end of the day as much as Rafa rotates, he will always pick his best XI for the key games (important league games, CUp Finals etc) and so the players should realise they need to be at their best and giving it their all if they want to play in the key matches. So even if the players are not playing for their place in the team every week, they are at least playing for a place in the manager's thinking for the big matches.

[dom9]

the only clique im a certified member of on here is the 'music snobs'. You on the other hand seem to be on here purely to rub people the wrong way.

you may have opinions, and thats fine. But your abrupt style isn't doing you any favours. Nor is your "oh sorry im just a newbie, i'll tow the line from now on" replies.

There are too many people on here with nothing to say, but with an aggressive way of saying it.

[bigfooty]

It's not as easy as turning it on like that though, some players are capable whereas others need to time to build up their level of match fitness and their understanding with other players. Look at Mascherano for example, he is a quality player but put him in the wrong formation or personnel and he struggles like he did at West Ham.

And Rafa doesn't always pick the best XI for key games, he regularly picks formations that he thinks will stop the opposition and then chooses players based on how hard they will work in the positions. For example the Athens final, when it was obvious playing Kuyt on his own would not bring goals as it hadn't done in earlier games against Man Utd and Man City. Great, we stopped Milan apart from a lucky goal for them, but by the time we actually set about trying to win the game properly we were already losing it with time running out.

[kewellnthegang]

the only clique im a certified member of on here is the 'music snobs'. You on the other hand seem to be on here purely to rub people the wrong way.

you may have opinions, and thats fine. But your abrupt style isn't doing you any favours. Nor is your "oh sorry im just a newbie, i'll tow the line from now on" replies.

my "style" is not your worry kid

if ya dont like it fine - if ya do fine

its a forum - for opinions if they were all the same it would be dull as feck

i dont know you and vice cersa so who cares who is "rubbed up the wrong way"

maybe you take things to heart too much - again not my worry

[Shaggy]

Yes, and do you remember how we finished with over 80 points that season? And then how Rafa spent in excess of 20M in the transfer market and decided to rejig his attack after only a few games, making Kuyt his #1 and Bellamy the #2?

And then how Crouch, despite no longer being first choice, was able to finish top scorer for the club, one of the top scorers in the Champions League and posted a very impressive 76% win record compared to 36% for the rest of the strikerforce?

Or how about when Rafa then went and spent over 40M without buying a single quality wide midfielder to pick out Crouch with crosses?

I'm not saying Crouch is a world class striker but a lot of people don't realise how effective he can be for a team. Rafa included.

[Shaggy]

Way off the mark for me.

The reason he'd be angry is that Kuyt is continually selected ahead of him, despite him having the worst technical abilty of any Liverpool striker in recent times not named Erik Meijer. And the fact that when it comes to getting into scoring positions he bottles it.

Believe me Crouch has his faults, but technical ability and scoring goals aren't two of them.

Yet a player who's rubbish in both those areas plays instead - and we're talking about strikers here remember. Wouldn't you be angry?

[kewellnthegang]

imo like

[Red Chilli]

Rafa and the team stuck by him and he should be thankful for being in the England squad because of Rafa

Crouch was playing or England before Rafa signed him