introducing video replays

[bobbyfallon]

just trying to get your views on this one lads.............

most recent **** ups and costly ones at that:

chelsea penalty at anfield - 2 valuable points dropped
russia penalty against england - england potentially ****ed

these two particular ones could have a huge bearing on the season, and obviously there are many other incidents every week.

so questions for you............

do you agree with a video ref eg. egg chasing for crucial decisions, penalty area incidents??
goal line technology??
are we every likely to see it???

discuss..

[Parm]

I would be in favour of it, Rugby seems have done very well with the video ref. Even cricket (albeit I sccept that cricket is played at a bit more of a pedestrian rate comapred to footy) has been succesful in using the 3rd umprie.
I dont see why for pens there can not be a video ref to back up the decision, there is always a minute or so where a pen has been given and the inevitable argie bargy starts with the oppo players and ref. Could use that time to check the video ref.

As for things like offside, well that is a bit more trickier as an instant decision has to be made and it will not be practical to keep referring it to a vid ref. Perhaps a way to make it work would be to flag if offside, let the play continue and if a goal is scored then can refer to the video ref?

[knockers]

As for things like offside, well that is a bit more trickier as an instant decision has to be made and it will not be practical to keep referring it to a vid ref. Perhaps a way to make it work would be to flag if offside, let the play continue and if a goal is scored then can refer to the video ref?

I think I read or heard somewhere that this years european cup final will use and extra lines man, not sure how they are gonna work it. I think that they should have 4 lines men, two on each side. If they both put the flags up within a set time period then it is off side. if one does but the other doesn't then play on.

[Parm]

I think I read or heard somewhere that this years european cup final will use and extra lines man, not sure how they are gonna work it. I think that they should have 4 lines men, two on each side. If they both put the flags up within a set time period then it is off side. if one does but the other doesn't then play on.

maybe one way of doing it, quite a sensible thing to do to actually.

[Frank Leroux]

Absolutely for it.

It appears the main arguments against its introduction are the 'breaking up the flow of the game' ones.

It seems to me eminently reasonable to allow the ref. recourse to a video ref (assistant) once he blows the whistle - i.e. a normal, natural break in play anyway.

For instance, the England/Russia game - and the penalty decision. He has blown the whistle - the game has stopped. Either he can request a confirmation that the decision was correct or, at a more extreme and contentious level, the video ref can alert the on-field ref to his error.

Same with goals. Once the ball is in the net (and the ref blows his whistle) there is a lull in play. This is the time to refer to video. Was he offside? Was it handball? If the ball doesn't go into the net there's no need to refer to video (unless for 'was it a corner' decisions...).

Must come in, I say.

Frank.

[Parm]

Absolutely for it.

It appears the main arguments against its introduction are the 'breaking up the flow of the game' ones.

It seems to me eminently reasonable to allow the ref. recourse to a video ref (assistant) once he blows the whistle - i.e. a normal, natural break in play anyway.

For instance, the England/Russia game - and the penalty decision. He has blown the whistle - the game has stopped. Either he can request a confirmation that the decision was correct or, at a more extreme and contentious level, the video ref can alert the on-field ref to his error.

Same with goals. Once the ball is in the net (and the ref blows his whistle) there is a lull in play. This is the time to refer to video. Was he offside? Was it handball? If the ball doesn't go into the net there's no need to refer to video (unless for 'was it a corner' decisions...).

Must come in, I say.

Frank.

yup we're on the same hymn sheet here, think that this maybe the best way forward, possibly conmbined with the extra linesman?

[bobbyfallon]

i think there is so much money in the game nowadays and there is so much to loose.

a last minute handball resulting in a penalty in a relegation clash at the end of the season, last game. a goal subsequently scored from this could cost a club up to 20 million........... in one decision !!!!

[Dan]

Didn't Maureen throw a wobbly with a monitor when Chelsea had a decision against them a few weeks ago? I remember him basically shoving it in the 4th officials face telling him to look at it.

That would have taken 15 seconds maximum so I'm all for it.

But only for on-the-line decisions and penalties. There's too many offsides in a match to use it

[BJC]

When the ball is out of play then a couple of seconds to the video ref is fairly easy.

The problems start if the ball stays in play then how long do you keep on playing? The defending team could run to the other end and score. So if you were waiting for a penalty decision - you go back and whatever the video ref decides will then give a goal to one of the sides... a little bit farcical.

We've had some pretty dodgy ref decision in our favour as well - makes life interesting!

[Howard_lfc]

I think I read or heard somewhere that this years european cup final will use and extra lines man, not sure how they are gonna work it. I think that they should have 4 lines men, two on each side. If they both put the flags up within a set time period then it is off side. if one does but the other doesn't then play on.

No chance of this actually working.
Play will stop when one flag goes up and the players/crowd will scream for the second bloke to put his flag up. Never gonna work; different people and different interpretations of events/fouls etc.

[Frank Leroux]

When the ball is out of play then a couple of seconds to the video ref is fairly easy.

The problems start if the ball stays in play then how long do you keep on playing? The defending team could run to the other end and score. So if you were waiting for a penalty decision - you go back and whatever the video ref decides will then give a goal to one of the sides... a little bit farcical.

We've had some pretty dodgy ref decision in our favour as well - makes life interesting!

But why would you need to resort to video if the ball is still in play? The whistle hasn't gone (so the game carries on as usual), a goal hasn't been scored, etc.

You could argue that video should only apply/be resorted to for 'result-affecting incidents'. So a goal is scored (= lull in play, so review video if need be). Or a penalty is given (= lull in play, as before).

It's true video can't/shouldn't accomodate incidences that are not given - the lack of an award of a penalty may affect the result to be sure, but I think the ability to correct or confirm decisions which are given outweighs this flaw. At the very least, it provides a reasonable basis upon to try out the system for evaluation.

Frank

[Red_Polo]

I'm for bringing it in at the refs discretion with the guideline being they should only use it when the ball has gone out of play, they are otherwise unable to make a confident judgement, AND it is a decision of significant importance. I would introduce goal-line technology alongside it. Video reffing works in rugby and it can work in football.

[einar]

If this is done it will change the game dramatically and it will never be the same again.

This is the worst plan ever.

The way to go is to make the refs job as simple and easy as possible.
They should never have to valuate anything. They should always know what to do in any situation and when a player breaks the rules he/she should know beforehand what the ref is gonna do.

[Alex]

Im in favor for goal line dicisions only. Everything else will be at the refs discision. However i do like the system in tennis were the player can challenge 1 decsion per set. That could work for football matches. I mean we wouldnt have had that **** up against chelsea would we.

[Morph]

Im in favor for goal line dicisions only. Everything else will be at the refs discision.

My opinion as well on this, goal line technology is easy, and is something that the ref wouldn't even need to stop the game for, ball crosses the line he gets a msg by a buzzer or whatever - easy. Video replays and the like could cause problems, the only instance i'd be in favour of it would probably be penalty incidents. The game has to stop anyway so what difference does it make to take a few extra seconds reviewing a tape.

If the ref sees an incident he can blow the whistle view the replay and give accordingly, but it would have to be at the refs discression otherwise it could cause chaos. What could be implemented is the team captain getting 1/2 calls a game, and he can ask the ref to review the tape. It'd stop a lot of false claims because they wouldn't want to waste them, and would probably improve the goal mouth action.