Stan The Man

[dww]

I sort of agree with djs on the issue of rafa being stubborn - IMO he is stubborn, or certainly comes across that way regardless of how the media portray him. The one thing that stands out/makes me think this is in some games he can leave it too late to make changes or subs to the side, or sometimes (imo) he seems to make strange subs that you can't make out why. This has nothing to do with the Gerrard subsitution on Saturday, but for me i have been to many games when we look like we need a change or a sub, so much so that half the kop will be chanting someones name on who they think we should bring on cause it's a dull 0-0 at home or we are losing and Rafa doesn't seem to change it. Now i am not having a go at Rafa, he is obv more qualified than anyone on here or in the Kop on what changes he should/shouldn't make - but he seems to be convinced that whatever team he has picked is the right one and he keeps faith in that team even if every one else in the ground thinks he has got it wrong and needs to change it. Some people might say that is a good thing cause Rafa is the manager and once he has made his mind up he sticks to it, and some people will that is stubborn.

Apologies if that doesn't make it sense - i started writing about half an hour ago but my phone hasn't stopped in work so I kept on getting distracted

I think you make a valid point about substitutions and him keeping faith in players (and his initial plan) and I didn't want to say that Rafa is never stubborn. My point was that in the specific points raised that Rafa was not noticeably more stubborn than anyone else. I don't think DJS has raised a single reason why we should believe he is.

Also worth noting that Rafa's substitutions this week were decisive and he has got very little credit for it, even though it made the team play better, largely because he didn't do what people thought he should have done.

[fred_plasticine]

I think you make a valid point about substitutions and him keeping faith in players (and his initial plan) and I didn't want to say that Rafa is never stubborn. My point was that in the specific points raised that Rafa was not noticeably more stubborn than anyone else. I don't think DJS has raised a single reason why we should believe he is.

Also worth noting that Rafa's substitutions this week were decisive and he has got very little credit for it, even though it made the team play better, largely because he didn't do what people thought he should have done.

and so they say he was lucky to get away with it...

[Skillz]

How am i 'sniping' at Rafa? Try reading my posts. I think i said just yesterday, it doesnt matter what everyone else thought and what we all expected, we won the game and he has to get the benefit of the doubt for that. I also remember saying, if he wins games, i couldnt care less what methods he uses.

So no, i havent 'lost faith' in Rafa, that's a bit melodramatic.

I've been reading your posts for a long time. At one point I thought you were getting it.

The last month or 2 you have been on a mission. At first it was fine, you were just expressing your opiniion. Then it became tiresome for everyone so you resort to petty digs in any thread in hope of changing topic. It's sad.

[Craig_H]

I've been reading your posts for a long time. At one point I thought you were getting it.

The last month or 2 you have been on a mission. At first it was fine, you were just expressing your opiniion. Then it became tiresome for everyone so you resort to petty digs in any thread in hope of changing topic. It's sad.

Classic...

[Skillz]

Classic...

I know.

[Craig_H]

Oooh, i'm on a mission...just like in the movies, exciting stuff...

:whatever:

[Skillz]

Oooh, i'm on a mission...just like in the movies, exciting stuff...

:whatever:

Well you still believe in Benitiez. Except his rotation policy, that is?



Don't bother responding , I am not interested.

[kurtangle01]

Who cares what Stan Collymore has to say? Come on lads, stop putting to much weight behind his comments, he's hardly the premier footy pundit, is he?

Gerrard was subbed.....so what? Players get subbed all the time. It's happened before and WILL happen again, no big deal.

[Red Chilli]

All top managers are stubborn, it's part of the job specifications.

[Craig_H]

Well you still believe in Benitiez. Except his rotation policy, that is?



Don't bother responding , I am not interested.

Well **** off replying to me then...

[Craig_H]

All top managers are stubborn, it's part of the job specifications.

I dont disagree.

But the stubborness has to be there for the right reasons...if that makes sense.

[Red Chilli]

I dont disagree.

But the stubborness has to be there for the right reasons...if that makes sense.

Not really, but then I'm a dimwit

[Craig_H]

Not really, but then I'm a dimwit

If he's being stubborn because it'll result in the best outcome (as he sees it) then yeah. If he's being stubborn just to prove people wrong, or to prove himself right because he cant acknowledge when he's in the wrong about something, then that's damaging.

[Red Chilli]

If he's being stubborn because it'll result in the best outcome (as he sees it) then yeah. If he's being stubborn just to prove people wrong, or to prove himself right because he cant acknowledge when he's in the wrong about something, then that's damaging.

well I personally believe that Rafa picks his teams and his tactics in order for him to be as successful as possible at his job. I don't think he gives a jot about the media or the so called football pundits. He picks his teams to get himself the best possible outcome, afterall it is his job o the line if it goes tits up.
I'd rather have a manager who picks his own team than a soft **** who changes his mind when the going gets tough. You need leadership and vision, if you don't have those qualities you will never be a good manager.

[Dhav]

Another pundit who thinks he is qualified to pass judgment on, and thinks he knows better than, a Champions League winning manager