Whats the Point?

[tomasjj]

The comparison between Wenger & Rafa is an interesting one. Wenger is a genius at spotting young talent and bringing it through. He's built about 3 great sides now with relatively little cash in todays terms. Fabregas is a brilliant example, he's the best young central midfielder in the world and Wenger snaffled him from Barca for peanuts. Anelka was another, bought for £500,000, sold for £20m+. Although its early days in comparison for Rafa at LFC, he hasn't yet brought any youngsters through.

However, despite all his brilliance Wenger has a poor record in Europe. One CL & 1 UEFA Cup Final is a modest return for such talented squads. Rafa on the other hand has already got us to 2 CL final and won the Uefa Cup at Valnecia.

In summary then Rafa has to show that he can match Wenger domestically whilst Wenger needs to match Rafa abroad to make the step to managerial greatness.

Is this actually true, or just a popular myth?
Not saying you are wrong, but I would be curious to see the actual numbers.

[peekay]

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First point I'll make.

We're unbeaten in the league.

Surely the most important thing at the moment?

Secondly, all this ****e about "not understanding Rafa's tactics" or his "substitutions", is exactly that - ****e.

You're not meant to ****ing understand them - Rafa and the team are (and do), so do yourselves (and everyone else) a favour and don't bother trying.

Us mere mortals, and opposition Managers/Teams are meant to be in the dark over his decisions. Surely that's the ****ing point? To do the unpredictable, and still get the result - which as I alluded to in my first point, we have got the results.

I don't see the problem, to be honest.

We're still picking up points, whilst at times not playing particulary well, which is a definite sign of a title winning/challenging side, so why all the moaning?

None of us know as much about football as we like to think we do. If we did, we sure as **** wouldn't be sitting on our arses writing about it on this place.

People like Rafa, Wenger, Mourinho (bye bye), Ferguson (whiskey nosed ****face) and any other manager worth their salt out there, study all facets of football, day in, day out, hours on end.

We, watch it. Read a bit about it on horse**** websites, and play ultrarealisticwowimreally****inggoodatthisyabastar d football games, and think we're "in the know."

We're not in the know, and never will have the same knowledge as the people out there actually "doing it", so the sooner some people accept that, and get back to doing what we're supposed to be doing - you know, ****ing supporting this team and the manager, then the easier and more enjoyable it becomes. Again.

Seriously, next time you want to question a man who's won the UEFA Cup, European Cup (and been runner up...) the Super Cup, won 2 League titles in a league that's regarded as the strongest in the world, won the FA Cup, been to the final of the Carling Cup and World Club Championship, signed some of the best players we've had at this club since we last won the league, and conducts himself with total dignity (unlike some sour miserable *******s I could mention), then do yourself a small favour...

Peel yourself from your stinking computer chair, take a deep breath, and remember - you're a ****ing idiot.

How the **** did i miss this post

[AFII]

Is this actually true, or just a popular myth?
Not saying you are wrong, but I would be curious to see the actual numbers.

Wenger has made two excellent transfers and that is why has spent a lot less than us net over the same period.

Anelka £20m and Overmars for £23m.

[peekay]

Is this actually true, or just a popular myth?
Not saying you are wrong, but I would be curious to see the actual numbers.

He has done a great job but it is not as good as people make them out to be.
When Arsene came joined Arsenal, he had arguably one of the best defenses in the league along with a very good goalkeeper, David Seaman. He then had Dennis Bergkamp in attack.

To this he added Henry( around 10-11 million), Viera ( around 3.5 million), Anelka( stunning buy) and Overmars( dunno the exact numbers but not exactly cheap), Emmanuel Petit( again dunno exact numbers but not cheap), Remi Garde and couple of others. I am willing to bet Wenger spent much more in his first two years than Rafa and Wenger started of with a better squad.

I dunno how people even compare this squad to the on the one Rafa inherited. The liverpool squad which Rafa inherited could barely win a match without Steven Gerrard. We were dispirited, disjointed and the moral was at an all time low.

Our star striker was refusing to sign a contract.Our captain was eying chelsea. Our right back , Stevie Finnan was **** during his first season and needed replacement, Loads of people were saying Sami was finished, Carra was not exactly the star central defender we know now ( Igor Biscan was played ahead of these two remember), we had Riiise as our LM as Harry Kewell was injured all the time, and Djimi freaking Traore was our left back. Our backup central midfielders were Bruno Cheyrou and Salf Diao and we had murphini on the wing.

Carra,Finnan, Sami and Riisse were Houllier buys but it took Rafa one season to mould them into one of Europe's finest defensive unit.

[Frank Leroux]

First point I'll make.

We're unbeaten in the league.

Surely the most important thing at the moment?

Secondly, all this ****e about "not understanding Rafa's tactics" or his "substitutions", is exactly that - ****e.

You're not meant to ****ing understand them - Rafa and the team are (and do), so do yourselves (and everyone else) a favour and don't bother trying.

Us mere mortals, and opposition Managers/Teams are meant to be in the dark over his decisions. Surely that's the ****ing point? To do the unpredictable, and still get the result - which as I alluded to in my first point, we have got the results.

I don't see the problem, to be honest.

We're still picking up points, whilst at times not playing particulary well, which is a definite sign of a title winning/challenging side, so why all the moaning?

None of us know as much about football as we like to think we do. If we did, we sure as **** wouldn't be sitting on our arses writing about it on this place.

People like Rafa, Wenger, Mourinho (bye bye), Ferguson (whiskey nosed ****face) and any other manager worth their salt out there, study all facets of football, day in, day out, hours on end.

We, watch it. Read a bit about it on horse**** websites, and play ultrarealisticwowimreally****inggoodatthisyabastar d football games, and think we're "in the know."

We're not in the know, and never will have the same knowledge as the people out there actually "doing it", so the sooner some people accept that, and get back to doing what we're supposed to be doing - you know, ****ing supporting this team and the manager, then the easier and more enjoyable it becomes. Again.

Seriously, next time you want to question a man who's won the UEFA Cup, European Cup (and been runner up...) the Super Cup, won 2 League titles in a league that's regarded as the strongest in the world, won the FA Cup, been to the final of the Carling Cup and World Club Championship, signed some of the best players we've had at this club since we last won the league, and conducts himself with total dignity (unlike some sour miserable *******s I could mention), then do yourself a small favour...

Peel yourself from your stinking computer chair, take a deep breath, and remember - you're a ****ing idiot.

Nah, can't accept the kudos this post is getting. It's Roman Catholicism, with the fowl and abusive language left in....just shut up and believe, a higher power guides us.

What is the issue here? The point(s) being made? The way the points are being made? The repetitiveness of the points being made? The difference to, perhaps, your point of view?

Or is it just people in general?

I know, I'll just talk about product development (because I know about that) and you'll talk about....?

[Craig_H]

Best post ever.

And back on planet earth...