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Some rose-tinted nostalgia going on there - while at times we were great going forward there was some absolute dross too. How many times when Barnes and Thomas were in the same midfield did we get to the edge of the box then not have a clue what to do? Loads of lateral passing with no cutting edge was the story in too many games under Evans. Defensively we were always suspect too, leading us to lose lots of games that we dominated to a late goal against the run of play.
Don't get me wrong, Roy did a great job in stabilising the club, and came close to winning the league the year we finished fourth in a two-horse race with the Mancs, but the myth is growing around his team beacuse of games like the Newcastle 4-3. More often than not we relied on MacManaman's genius to pull us out of trouble rather than a great attacking team display.
Under Houllier, we never came back from a goal down because he never had a plan B if plan A wasn't working. We just started to hit longer and longer passes, and shoot from further and further out.
Rafa has plans B, C, D and E, and can come up with an F on the fly (as in Istanbul). Fulham away in his first season proved that we'd nailed this coming from behind issue.
In my opinion, Rafa's only chink is that he gives the opposition too much respect at times. Against the likes of Birmingham, West Brom, Derby, Sunderland etc. we should just go out and attack as the Mancs, Chelsea and Arsenal do. Rafa seems to stick to the same approach of trying to negate their strengths first instead. This gives the lesser teams confidence against us, as they are not on the back foot from the first minute.
He always comes up with the right approach for the big games though, and I have no doubt he will do the same on Sunday. It still requires the players on the pitch to do their jobs though, and too many of them have been below par over the last few weeks.
just one thing is gettin at me and i wondered if anyone feels the same
under gh every game we played i NEVER saw us gettin backinto a game once we had gone a goal down and at the same time when we went one up i always thought we needed another - we were never comfortable one up
am i mad ?
i feel much the same, although this isn't how it was when he first took over.
but yes i agree. if we have a first half where we havent turned up to the races, the second half tends to be the same.
this is why i question whether rafa's strength is "in game" tactics.
he seems a ponderer to me. i'd say that gives us 15 to 20 mins prime tactical advantage at the start of each game while other managers try to get to grips with what he's thought through.
but i think he's less good at making changes in game that affect things, whereas the likes of Ferguson and Mourinho were good at that it seems.
Some rose-tinted nostalgia going on there - while at times we were great going forward there was some absolute dross too. How many times when Barnes and Thomas were in the same midfield did we get to the edge of the box then not have a clue what to do? Loads of lateral passing with no cutting edge was the story in too many games under Evans. Defensively we were always suspect too, leading us to lose lots of games that we dominated to a late goal against the run of play.
Don't get me wrong, Roy did a great job in stabilising the club, and came close to winning the league the year we finished fourth in a two-horse race with the Mancs, but the myth is growing around his team beacuse of games like the Newcastle 4-3. More often than not we relied on MacManaman's genius to pull us out of trouble rather than a great attacking team display.
Bang on in my view. Stop MacManaman and Liverpool had no attacking threat. Everything went through him.
Some rose-tinted nostalgia going on there - while at times we were great going forward there was some absolute dross too. How many times when Barnes and Thomas were in the same midfield did we get to the edge of the box then not have a clue what to do? Loads of lateral passing with no cutting edge was the story in too many games under Evans. Defensively we were always suspect too, leading us to lose lots of games that we dominated to a late goal against the run of play.
Don't get me wrong, Roy did a great job in stabilising the club, and came close to winning the league the year we finished fourth in a two-horse race with the Mancs, but the myth is growing around his team beacuse of games like the Newcastle 4-3. More often than not we relied on MacManaman's genius to pull us out of trouble rather than a great attacking team display.
Under Houllier, we never came back from a goal down because he never had a plan B if plan A wasn't working. We just started to hit longer and longer passes, and shoot from further and further out.
Rafa has plans B, C, D and E, and can come up with an F on the fly (as in Istanbul). Fulham away in his first season proved that we'd nailed this coming from behind issue.
In my opinion, Rafa's only chink is that he gives the opposition too much respect at times. Against the likes of Birmingham, West Brom, Derby, Sunderland etc. we should just go out and attack as the Mancs, Chelsea and Arsenal do. Rafa seems to stick to the same approach of trying to negate their strengths first instead. This gives the lesser teams confidence against us, as they are not on the back foot from the first minute.
He always comes up with the right approach for the big games though, and I have no doubt he will do the same on Sunday. It still requires the players on the pitch to do their jobs though, and too many of them have been below par over the last few weeks.
Houllier had one plan as you say and that included Owen, he had no plan B without him. Rafa has so far this season not had any plan B, I don't know why. He has had that the previous seasons.
It's our lack of creative players IMO but that's just a guess. Very often when we needed goal Garcia got off the bench and changed the game with his creativity.
We are very easy to figure out right now and that is a problem.
Just believe and you never know what will happen.
According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.
Houllier had one plan as you say and that included Owen, he had no plan B without him. Rafa has so far this season not had any plan B, I don't know why. He has had that the previous seasons.
It's our lack of creative players IMO but that's just a guess. Very often when we needed goal Garcia got off the bench and changed the game with his creativity.
We are very easy to figure out right now and that is a problem.
Sounds like you are just making stuff up so you can beat up on Rafa.
So switching to 433 in the derby and using Lucas vs. SG is not exercising plan B.
Bringing on Benni against Wigan. Plan B?
There are 2 plan b's which one us those games.
Do you even think before you make these preposterous claims?
i feel much the same, although this isn't how it was when he first took over.
but yes i agree. if we have a first half where we havent turned up to the races, the second half tends to be the same.
this is why i question whether rafa's strength is "in game" tactics.
he seems a ponderer to me. i'd say that gives us 15 to 20 mins prime tactical advantage at the start of each game while other managers try to get to grips with what he's thought through.
but i think he's less good at making changes in game that affect things, whereas the likes of Ferguson and Mourinho were good at that it seems.
fans like you make me sick. if slur alex and moaninho are so great why don't you just splice them, replicate them, give them transgender realignment surgery, marry them and have their babies? i'm off to bed. this guy is obviously a WUM.
i feel much the same, although this isn't how it was when he first took over.
but yes i agree. if we have a first half where we havent turned up to the races, the second half tends to be the same.
this is why i question whether rafa's strength is "in game" tactics.
he seems a ponderer to me. i'd say that gives us 15 to 20 mins prime tactical advantage at the start of each game while other managers try to get to grips with what he's thought through.
but i think he's less good at making changes in game that affect things, whereas the likes of Ferguson and Mourinho were good at that it seems.
You are saying that tactically Mourinho is better than Rafa? That the guy whose tactical supremacy extended only as far putting Robert Huth on as a CF!
fans like you make me sick. if slur alex and moaninho are so great why don't you just splice them, replicate them, give them transgender realignment surgery, marry them and have their babies? i'm off to bed. this guy is obviously a WUM.
i'm not in the mood for abuse, so take it elsewhere.
can nobody in here have a frigging opinion anymore.
its seriously beginning to get on my tits.
so you disagree? oh well woo to you. have a pissing competition somewhere else lad.
You are saying that tactically Mourinho is better than Rafa? That the guy whose tactical supremacy extended only as far putting Robert Huth on as a CF!
You are kidding me right?
I'm saying he is bolder and more prepared to make changes and substitutions yes.
Better tactically? I won't say that no because I ****ing hate his style of football which is totally front to back.
But is he better at making subs and bolder. Yes he is in my view.
Nail me to the cross if you disagree. Or simply express your own view. Your shout.
fans like you make me sick. if slur alex and moaninho are so great why don't you just splice them, replicate them, give them transgender realignment surgery, marry them and have their babies? i'm off to bed. this guy is obviously a WUM.
great post
although i'm pretty sure most people on this forum are above the age of 6.
fans like you make me sick. if slur alex and moaninho are so great why don't you just splice them, replicate them, give them transgender realignment surgery, marry them and have their babies? i'm off to bed. this guy is obviously a WUM.
ferguson and mourinho can't have strengths and we can't express what they are without this puerile ****?
do you not believe ferguson and mourinho have strengths then? what do you attribute their successes to then if not managerial strengths.
just because i'm a fanatical Liverpool fan doesn't mean I can't recognise they have strengths ffs.
did my comment really merit this ****??????
if i'm always civil, why can't i expect the same off others i'm supposedly in discussion with.
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