Lots of negative stuff about Rafa

[paulcooper4]

what does that actually mean in terms of an internet forum?


btw, intersting observations about the blackburn game.

i'm not suggesting that we sack rafa - i just think that there should be some signs of a team moving forward. hanging on to the pacesetters in the league may prove to be good enough come the end of the season but a lot of people think that the type of football rafa gets us playing will not win us the premiership. for ****s sake sunderland get tight on people and work their bollix off when not in possession. in fact that's the way most of the **** teams in the league operate. we are a bigger club with better players playing a **** form of football.

graeme hunter said on irish radio the other day that when we won in istanbul, liverpool was ateam greater than the sum of its parts - now with rafa's team inplace and better players we are less than the sum of our parts. it's normal in football to lay this difficulty at the feet of the manager.

some of us have had the same complaints and worries about rafa for a couple of years now (some from his initial appointment) so when things aren't going well - and despite being unbeaten in the league we are not playing well - it's not a gloating i-told-you-so type of response that we're giving but rather a genuine concern that our worst fears are being realised. and if rafa turns it all around noone will be happier than me and these complaining others.

Now is an unfair time to judge him though when so many players are off form and key players injured. When everyone is playing well you can cope without the likes of alonso, torres and agger without too much upset but when everyones playing ****e you are gonna struggle like **** without your best players.

Judge his league title prowess at the end of the season, or at least judge him when everyones fit and playing as well as they should. Right now is an easy time to lay the boot in.

[Pacman]

and many posters who ONLY come on when times are bad, they really **** me off

That's something that really ****s me off.

[badpiggy]

Now is an unfair time to judge him though when so many players are off form and key players injured. When everyone is playing well you can cope without the likes of alonso, torres and agger without too much upset but when everyones playing ****e you are gonna struggle like **** without your best players.

Judge his league title prowess at the end of the season, or at least judge him when everyones fit and playing as well as they should. Right now is an easy time to lay the boot in.

totally agree that rafa shoud be given this and next season. in general though, once you get to the stage of the manager supposedly having done all he can and it being up to the players now normally the manger ends up going. once you've said all you can and have no more to say and there is still no response from the players, the game is up. not saying that that's what's happening, but...

and if this is our slump and we're managing to stay unbeaten then lucky us and fair play to rafa - he knows we can't seem to get going but by **** we won't get beaten.

[paulcooper4]

totally agree that rafa shoud be given this and next season. in general though, once you get to the stage of the manager supposedly having done all he can and it being up to the players now normally the manger ends up going. once you've said all you can and have no more to say and there is still no response from the players, the game is up. not saying that that's what's happening, but...

and if this is our slump and we're managing to stay unbeaten then lucky us and fair play to rafa - he knows we can't seem to get going but by **** we won't get beaten.

Thats one thing I can admire them for at the moment, as **** as we are playing the lads just refuse to lose this season in the league

This is down to pure grit and determination from the lads, probably over-negative tactics at the moment (although annoying is probably required when playing ****) and a lot of good luck (which we were overdue)


Cant wait til were playing as well as we can though and wiping the floor with teams again!

[Jazzmaster]

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1. Actually I resent that comment. My apologies for that - didnt mean to have a go, just frustration leaking throughinto my posts

2. Yes we are. Being 6 points behind with a game in hand on Man U we certainly are in with a good chance. We need to improve to do it, but we still have a good chance. I agree that we still have a chance and a good one at that, particularly with the run of games coming up. However, we should be in a better position than we are, despite the injury crisis.

3. I am not arguing that. I think everyone knows we are in a dip in form. The problem for me is that to many people are not talking about what Rafa is doing to get us out and focus on what he is not doing to get us out. Point taken

4. Well I think I do. And I really like what I see. I am not saying he will definitely succeed but I think I see where he is going. I thought i did and to an extent still do see what his ultimate goal is... but im not sure if it will ever come to fruition at Liverpool

5. You have said this twice now. Can you explain further? I honestly feel that a certain amount of rotation is essential to win the title. I do also think that benitez takes it too far at times and leaves out players that are in no need of any kind of rest esp early in the season. I hope the picture of the full season proves me wrong. Im not an enemy of the system but im not a 100% advocate of it either. In relation to it transferring from spain to england ive yet to see the proof of its merits.

6. Sorry mate. I did not mean to imply anything bad about you. No im not mad about that and can see why you said it... i get equally disgusted when people on here simplyn take what the media put forth as gospel without considering the full facts i.e. zonal marking, gerrard in the middle, rotation etc. However im certainly not one of those people. like i said, im not anti-rotation per se, but wish that benitez would leave well alone once in a while and have faith i his own players rather than worrying too much about what the oppostion are going to do. I think a better balance can be found between stability and rotation

[bobbyfallon]

and many posters who ONLY come on when times are bad, they really **** me off

are they really that bad???

we are unbeaten in the league.

we are still in the carling cup.

we are still in the fa cup.

we are still in the champions league.

so to sum it up every tournament we have entered we can still win

poor results in certain games - fair enough - due to ?????

1. sami hypia playing due to an injury to a soon to be world class defender AGGER. agger is badly missed and we cant play the way rafa wants us to due to sami's pace - or lack of.

2. poor finishing by sub standard strikers. if rafa had a choice would he be playing kuyt + veronin week in week out?? would he ****

3. injuries. torres, agger, alonso - massive players for us and badly missed and very unlucky to have them out at the same time.

4. teams constantly shutting up shop against us for 90 mins.

so to sum it up........

we have managed to stay in touch in the league.
we will win our last 3 games in the champions league to qualify.
we will beat chelsea in their little home in the carling cup.
we will kick the **** out of whoever we get in the fa cup.

ok - i dont think we can win them all . will settle for an fa cup and league double this year.

who can lead us to this???? RAFA ****IN BENITEZ

YNWA REDMEN

[red g]

are they really that bad???

we are unbeaten in the league.

we are still in the carling cup.

we are still in the fa cup.

we are still in the champions league.

so to sum it up every tournament we have entered we can still win

poor results in certain games - fair enough - due to ?????

1. sami hypia playing due to an injury to a soon to be world class defender AGGER. agger is badly missed and we cant play the way rafa wants us to due to sami's pace - or lack of.

2. poor finishing by sub standard strikers. if rafa had a choice would he be playing kuyt + veronin week in week out?? would he ****

3. injuries. torres, agger, alonso - massive players for us and badly missed and very unlucky to have them out at the same time.

4. teams constantly shutting up shop against us for 90 mins.

so to sum it up........

we have managed to stay in touch in the league.
we will win our last 3 games in the champions league to qualify.
we will beat chelsea in their little home in the carling cup.
we will kick the **** out of whoever we get in the fa cup.

ok - i dont think we can win them all . will settle for an fa cup and league double this year.

who can lead us to this???? RAFA ****IN BENITEZ

YNWA REDMEN

amen to you brother
things are not that bad at all, but things could be better but its a marathon not a sprint

[bobbyfallon]

amen to you brother
things are not that bad at all, but things could be better but its a marathon not a sprint

have been away for the weekend with the bird so couldnt get online and was amazed to come on here this morning to see so many threads - sack rafa etc.

bad enough having my weekend spoiled without coming on here to see such **** all over the place.

merge half of these threads to ****. took me all morning to read the half of it and has put me in a right bad mood. dont even feel like knocking one out after work now

[Frank Leroux]

they played us off the pitch and tore us apart not something you think off with a defensive team.

That performance could well be indicative of a team with flair and attacking intentions. It could also have been a reflection on us and our style, or the style to which La Liga sides adhere to.

The only point I'm making is that to succeed in Spain probably requires a different playing style/formula/philosophy to that which wins the PL. This point seems to be lost amongst the short-termists Benitez baiters (who are rightly, in my view, call to account on here) - other than when Charlie and some others bring it up.

This point of view has nothing to do with form. Nothing to do with injuries. Little to do with purchases (although, I will admit that if there is method to his madness he may not have the players as yet).

The only team, as far as I can see, which has won the PL playing a 'safety first' style is the Chelsea team which won their second title. This may indicate a shifting in what it takes to win the PL - but, of course, they forgot to tell Utd last season.

I my view, the Benitez style of play does not win the PL.

[einar]

[redlancer]

That performance could well be indicative of a team with flair and attacking intentions. It could also have been a reflection on us and our style, or the style to which La Liga sides adhere to.

The only point I'm making is that to succeed in Spain probably requires a different playing style/formula/philosophy to that which wins the PL. This point seems to be lost amongst the short-termists Benitez baiters (who are rightly, in my view, call to account on here) - other than when Charlie and some others bring it up.

This point of view has nothing to do with form. Nothing to do with injuries. Little to do with purchases (although, I will admit that if there is method to his madness he may not have the players as yet).

The only team, as far as I can see, which has won the PL playing a 'safety first' style is the Chelsea team which won their second title. This may indicate a shifting in what it takes to win the PL - but, of course, they forgot to tell Utd last season.

I my view, the Benitez style of play does not win the PL.

Rafa did his homework on us, used his players to there bast ability and tore us apart.

Blackburn away who are scoring and winning for fun. We have a static defence and no midfielder to bring the ball out.
we get a 0-0 draw and from all account last 20 minute we could of got the winner.

job done

Style of play doesn't win or loose PL, points do.

Rafa has shown he can play with flair when needed but when the 3 player crucial to the flair are missing its grinding time

scum had to grinde out results with players missing.

arse play attacking footy a while since they won owt.

[fred_plasticine]

Rafa did his homework on us, used his players to there bast ability and tore us apart.

Blackburn away who are scoring and winning for fun. We have a static defence and no midfielder to bring the ball out.
we get a 0-0 draw and from all account last 20 minute we could of got the winner.

job done

Style of play doesn't win or loose PL, points do.

Rafa has shown he can play with flair when needed but when the 3 player crucial to the flair are missing its grinding time

scum had to grinde out results with players missing.

arse play attacking footy a while since they won owt.

are you suggesting that the team played like that on purporse or do i get you wrong?

[red g]

have been away for the weekend with the bird so couldnt get online and was amazed to come on here this morning to see so many threads - sack rafa etc.

bad enough having my weekend spoiled without coming on here to see such **** all over the place.

merge half of these threads to ****. took me all morning to read the half of it and has put me in a right bad mood. dont even feel like knocking one out after work now

things should never get that bad

[El Jefecito]

the questions are very specific and well put. i don't see too many of the superfans coming up with any answers to these questions. just the usual meaingless drivel about getting behind the team blah blah blah.

the wheel has come full circle at this stage - the site now seems to be mainly populated by concerned fans who have serious questions about the direction our club is going in with a few others sniping at the fringes about moaners, whingers and critics. i've yet to see one of these fans coming up with an actual well thought out football answer to a well presented football questions - instead we just get the predictable "**** off back to old toilet" cuntmongery. someoone said it on another thread and i agree 100% "i support LFC not rafaFC".

Mate the problem is two fold, the manic depressives refuse to understand the answers given and that they seem to beonly analyzing the situation from an emotional perspective.

I've seen sound reasoning from both sides? How comes you can only see one side.

[Frank Leroux]

Style of play doesn't win or loose PL, points do.

Rafa has shown he can play with flair when needed but when the 3 player crucial to the flair are missing its grinding time

scum had to grinde out results with players missing.

arse play attacking footy a while since they won owt.

Let's not call it 'style' so, let's call it a belief on the managers side as to how either 1. the game should be played and/or 2. how the PL will be won.

I'd propose that Benitez is overly cerebral in his view of the game. He's over analytical. This (appears) to work on the continent, both at league level and in the Euro cups, but t's not how Utd, Arsenal, Blackburn nor first-year Chelsea won their titles.

High tempo is the name of the British game. The opposition is poor enough (generally speaking) to not have to consider their merits or shapes. We've got better players than them, let them off the leash. But Benitez, to me, doesn't appear to actually trust the players and their intuition. They must conform to a rigid system...

And this has nothing to do with this season. For two and a third seasons now I have not seen a concerted effort by Benitez to play the all enveloping game our main competitors play. It's not form, injurys, lack of ability by the players. What you see on the pitch should be a reflection of the manager and his footballing beliefs.

It's not in him imo.