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    Re: Is this really the end?

    Anfield crisis deepens
    David Maddock 26/11/2007
    If there was one thing made painfully clear in the statement issued by Tom Hicks yesterday, it was that Liverpool have lost faith in their manager.
    There was no backing for Rafa Benitez, no attempt to appease him or find a solution to the civil war ripping the club apart. Instead, there was a suggestion merely that talks will be held on December 16.
    If he survives until then, Benitez must believe right now that he will be picking up his cards on December 17, because his position is untenable.
    The American owners of Anfield do not believe he is the man to deliver them the Premier League title the club's support has craved for 17 years.
    They do not believe he can be entrusted with money to sign new players, or even with the power to bring in Bosman free transfers, because there is a real doubt the manager will be in place at the beginning of next season.
    And that is the crux of the current crisis. Hicks and his partner George Gillett have no plans to sack Benitez immediately, but they have little faith he can deliver the title that would make his position secure.
    Hence the ban on all transfer activity and the request for the manager to concentrate on his coaching role.
    They do not want him spending money or bringing in yet more players, because they believe another man will be at the helm next season, and that would be a waste of resources.
    The problem is, Benitez saw the writing on the wall and came out fighting, revealing to the world the battle behind the scenes.
    Speaking over the weekend, he explained his position and launched a fresh attack - not only on the owners but also on chief executive Rick Parry.
    He said: "They don't understand what the transfer window means. It is not like a draft pick.
    "They need to understand how difficult it is to sign a player and, when the possibility comes, you must do it or you will lose him. "Mr Hicks wants the best for the club and we want the best for the club.
    "I wasn't asking about spending money - I was asking about free players. Hicks wants the best for the club - me too. I've been here three years and I know football in Europe and the passion for the club.
    "We need to talk to agents and sign players now. If we don't we will lose targets and need to do something in the summer which would be far more expensive. Hopefully it will be resolved."
    Benitez had a meeting with the owners last month and says: "It was really, really positive, but after this meeting something changed. "I tried to explain my ideas and they told me to keep focusing on the team because Rick Parry is in charge of buying and selling players.
    "I'm sure Mr Hicks knows what I want. I have a very good squad and want to improve it. I didn't talk about money - I was thinking about bringing money in."
    The problem for Benitez is two-fold. Not only has he angered the Americans with his outbursts, but he has also engineered a complete breakdown of relations with Parry.
    The pair barely speak, and the reality is that one will have to go for the other to survive.
    Given that Gillett, in particular, is close to Parry there is only one outcome. But Benitez could still save himself, although his latest attacks would suggest he is not inclined to do so. The Spanish coach could expect to extend his stay at Anfield if he backs down, and issues what would amount to an apology, while accepting he will be limited to a coaching role with Parry in charge of all financial affairs.
    But it is unlikely. As a young coach at Extremadura and Tenerife Benitez's exit was preceded by a row over control and it was the same and most bitter of all at Valencia before the Spaniard's arrival at Anfield.
    Now that situation has arisen again, and the same outcome seems inevitable, although there is another manner in which Benitez could save his job. Winning the Premier League.
    *****
    So, what do we all think? G&T always planned to replace Rafa anyway and so don't want to give him any more transfer money? That would be useful having G&T making these sorts of decisions for the good of our club!

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      Apologies if someone has already mentioned this but I haven't noticed it.

      Bascombe was on Talk****e earlier. He said that Rafa had already pissed off G&H to the extent that he was going to get the push in the summer but the recent outburst meant that his exit would be brought forward.

      Apparently there had been differences between G & H but the Rafa issue has brought them back together.

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        Originally posted by Reece View Post
        I think we should set up an FC Liverpool team.


        I like it.
        Bill Oddie, Bill Oddie, put your hands all over my body.

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          Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post


          We should set up some kind of support group for those of us who’d take Mourinho’s appointment like a knife through the heart.

          The thought of Rafa vacating the position to be replaced by HIM is truly, truly sickening. It would sicken Rafa and it would sicken me.

          I do support Liverpool FC, not Rafa Benitez FC, but I’d be entering a place I’ve never been to if the unthinkable happens.

          spot on



          Originally posted by The Glove View Post



          I'll be gutted and looking to stick the knife in any time I can. Im gonna be the new Rashid and only post when we **** up and slate the cunt. Granted I'll be skipping through town if we win the league but I wont be chanting that cunts name.

          spot ****in on
          All hat and no cattle

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            Let's face facts - we haven't been amazingly brilliant since 1990 and like his methods or not (but really, who are we to argue, we know **** all about the science behind rotation etc..) Rafa has won us number 5, got us unbeeten in the league so far, we're still close enough to stay in the hunt for winning the damn Premiership which will be a lot tighter this year and he has a track record of producing teams that perform better in the 2nd half of the season.
            He wants to talk to agents to tie up deals before the transfer window and he may want to pay 10m for someone in Jan that won't really feature until next season (a la Agger) but if he waited until the summer that same player would probably cost 15m or more.

            Clearly all of that warrants the sack.
            What a ****ing joke.

            Oh yeah - Ferguson - The greatest manager of all time ((c) The Uneducated Press) has 1 Champions League Final in **** knows how long.
            Rafa - dodgey Spanish chap with bad facial hair who knows nothing about what it takes to win the Prem ( (c) Those press types again) 2 final in 3 years - that's another reason to sack him for being too consistent.
            The King was back for a short while. Long live The King.

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              Originally posted by Cormack74 View Post
              Apologies if someone has already mentioned this but I haven't noticed it.

              Bascombe was on Talk****e earlier. He said that Rafa had already pissed off G&H to the extent that he was going to get the push in the summer but the recent outburst meant that his exit would be brought forward.

              Apparently there had been differences between G & H but the Rafa issue has brought them back together.
              I really hope he's wrong.
              **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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                It would be a travesty if Benitez left. The owners seems to be all about the $$ and nothing more.

                The first thing they mentioned in their press conference is the outstanding TV contracts and franchise. That about summed it up for me.

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                  Originally posted by Lynchyred View Post
                  Anfield crisis deepens
                  David Maddock 26/11/2007
                  If there was one thing made painfully clear in the statement issued by Tom Hicks yesterday, it was that Liverpool have lost faith in their manager.
                  Another juornalist putting 2 and 2 together.All these press cuttings are a waste off time until Rafa is beind inteviewed after he gets sacked/Resigns.I don`t believe anything in the London press.They are all about selling papers and have had an anti Liverpool FC agenda for yrs.

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                    olvier kay another bullsh!tter

                    like me ???

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                      Originally posted by Lynchyred View Post
                      Anfield crisis deepens
                      David Maddock 26/11/2007

                      As a young coach at Extremadura and Tenerife Benitez's exit was preceded by a row over control and it was the same and most bitter of all at Valencia before the Spaniard's arrival at Anfield.

                      Now that situation has arisen again, and the same outcome seems inevitable, although there is another manner in which Benitez could save his job. Winning the Premier League.
                      *****
                      So this would be the 4th time that Benitez has had issues with control at a football club?
                      I think Rafa is a great manager, and up til now has been the kind of manager I was to proud to have.
                      But 4 times at 4 different clubs strikes a chord......
                      I saw a dead fish on the pavement and thought "what did you expect?"
                      There's no water round here stupid, should have stayed where it was wet

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                        Originally posted by Fierce View Post
                        So this would be the 4th time that Benitez has had issues with control at a football club?
                        I think Rafa is a great manager, and up til now has been the kind of manager I was to proud to have.
                        But 4 times at 4 different clubs strikes a chord......
                        The thing is though that in this country at least the most successful managers in the long term Wenger and Fergusson have had that sort of control and Mourinho was most effective when he had the greatest amount of control at Chelsea. I think that it might just be that Rafa is right and you need a football orientated man with the power if you wish to be a success.

                        I'm not sure he fights his battles in the correct way all of the time but I think in general he has fought the right battles.

                        I think part of the problem this time is that G&H set themselves up in a ridiculous way with their talk of a 'player specific budget' and splashing cash around. Inevitably that would give people ammunition when it came to a clash like this. They should accept that they are the money men and that the best thing to do would be to define a budget and then allow the football operation to decide how to divvy it up. Obviously in extreme circumstances they might make an exception for a player with great merchandising appeal or alternatively they might have to reduce the budget due to lack of revenue but trying to constrain Rafa (or any other top manager) in what they can do which would be cost neutral or bring in money is a big mistake IMO.
                        "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                        -- William Blake

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                          Originally posted by dww View Post
                          The thing is though that in this country at least the most successful managers in the long term Wenger and Fergusson have had that sort of control and Mourinho was most effective when he had the greatest amount of control at Chelsea. I think that it might just be that Rafa is right and you need a football orientated man with the power if you wish to be a success.

                          I'm not sure he fights his battles in the correct way all of the time but I think in general he has fought the right battles.

                          I think part of the problem this time is that G&H set themselves up in a ridiculous way with their talk of a 'player specific budget' and splashing cash around. Inevitably that would give people ammunition when it came to a clash like this. They should accept that they are the money men and that the best thing to do would be to define a budget and then allow the football operation to decide how to divvy it up. Obviously in extreme circumstances they might make an exception for a player with great merchandising appeal or alternatively they might have to reduce the budget due to lack of revenue but trying to constrain Rafa (or any other top manager) in what they can do which would be cost neutral or bring in money is a big mistake IMO.
                          Spot on there fella

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                            Originally posted by Fierce View Post
                            So this would be the 4th time that Benitez has had issues with control at a football club?
                            I think Rafa is a great manager, and up til now has been the kind of manager I was to proud to have.
                            But 4 times at 4 different clubs strikes a chord......
                            so,you didnt mind the 3 times before this,but now that its 4 you ave

                            do you even know the details of the other 3?
                            do you think its acceptable that he has no say in who goes or comes? and has his hands tied until mid december when by all accounts most deals should be already done?
                            Parry is a clown. En Rafa que confiamos

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