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    Andy Gray, Clive Tyldesley, RIchard keys - Zonal Marking - Read It and Weep!

    Now do you understand it you thick phukkers?



    ARE YOU WATCHING, CLIVE TYLDESLEY?

    And when no one has heard a peep out of me in weeks, the authorities
    will break down my door and find bits of me scattered all over the
    room, following my spontaneous combustion.

    But it's not the system itself that will cause me to explode; instead,
    it's what I have to hear and read about it.

    Since Rafael Benítez arrived on Merseyside the Reds have implemented a
    zonal marking system on set pieces and corner kicks. The system does
    exactly what it says on the tin: the players guard zones rather than
    the opposition; setting-up in danger areas in and around the six-yard
    box, so that they are automatically in a good position to deal with the
    ball, wherever it happens to be delivered.

    The best way to understand the whole concept of zonal marking is to
    think of an extension of what a goalkeeper does at set pieces. The
    keeper defends the ball; he does not mark the opposition striker. His
    job is to follow the path of the ball, and intercept it when it comes
    into his zone - which should end at around 10 yards from his goal. So
    it's fairly simple to understand.

    In all of Liverpool's televised live games this season the commentator,
    or summariser, has mentioned how much the Reds struggled with
    set-pieces last season, due to that pesky zonal marking system.

    Clive Tyldesley is on a mission to mention it as many times as
    possible. At least Andy Gray mentions how big a side Liverpool are, and
    that the Reds should be good at defending set pieces; but there usual
    follows a barb about zonal marking, to suggest that the converse is
    true.

    Quite frankly, that Liverpool are poor at defending set pieces has
    become the biggest falsehood since it was claimed that Chesney Hawkes
    was the future of music.

    The truth is that Liverpool only conceded from two corners all last
    season, both coming in Premiership games (Chelsea away and Everton at
    home). In total the Reds faced 137 corners in the league, meaning
    Benítez's men conceded on just 1.5 per cent of them. Only one team,
    Chelsea, were able to come even close to that, allowing three goals
    from 127 (2.4 per cent).

    In terms of goals conceded from free-kicks delivered into the box,
    Liverpool also allowed only two in the Premiership all season, again
    one less than Chelsea. So the Reds conceded one-third fewer league
    goals than the next-best team when defending set-pieces.

    Widening the net to all competitions, Liverpool conceded eight
    set-piece goals, compared with Chelsea's nine, Arsenal's 12, and
    Manchester United's 15. Liverpool also played the most matches: meaning
    fewer set-piece goals conceded from a greater amount of games.

    And the Reds did not concede a single free-kick shot all last season
    (this is not down to zonal marking, but is an interesting fact all the
    same, and something the other top four teams could not boast).

    Already this season it's been seven games, with just one set-piece goal
    conceded, in the first league game at Sheffield United. The average
    last season was one conceded every eight games in all competitions.

    It's fair to say that Liverpool can look nervous on set-pieces. But who
    doesn't? With the whip and swerve players put on deliveries these days,
    and the movement of the newfangled balls, no team can ever look relaxed
    in these situations; it's a potential scoring chance, after all. But
    can we stick to the facts, and not continue to propagate ill-conceived
    ideas?

    One of the only problems with zonal marking is that it allows attackers
    a run at the ball, while the defenders remain more static in their set
    positions. So Liverpool will often lose the first header; however, as
    it is almost never a free header (unlike with man-man marking), it's
    much more difficult to score with - as the facts suggest.

    Nothing was said about Chelsea having problems defending corners and
    free-kick crosses last season. But why would it be? They still have an
    excellent record defending them. Just not as good as Liverpool's.

    It's a myth that dates back to the autumn/winter of 2004, when the new
    system had some serious teething problems. For a few weeks it was a
    mess, as the players struggled to come to terms with what was required
    of them. But around the same time, a Premiership game between Norwich
    and Middlesbrough finished 4-4, with five goals down to the worst
    man-marking you can ever wish to see, as free headers were offered on a
    plate to the opposition. Runs were blocked off, decoy runs made, and
    time and again an attacker found space in the box.

    That one game alone saw more goals as a result of free-kick crosses and
    corners than Liverpool conceded in the entire Premiership campaign last
    year. Put that in your reality pipe and smoke it.

    The main problem in giving the system a fair press is that zonal
    marking, and not the players themselves, gets the blame for conceded
    goals. In man-marking, the blame might lie with a different individual
    every time, so the greater trend can be easily overlooked.

    This is my attempt to finally lay this myth to rest. With Chelsea being
    the best side at scoring from set-pieces (last season they scored 50
    per cent more goals this way than Liverpool or Manchester United,
    including one from Gallas in this fixture), there's every chance it
    will be an occasion when zonal marking is once again being criticised,
    and criticised without any basis in fact.

    While it's not 100 per cent infallible (what system is?), it's
    currently proving the best method for defending in these situations,
    and the sooner people start acknowledging that fact, the better.

    However, if a goal from a corner is conceded by the Reds on Sunday, and
    zonal marking is once again blamed - and then no one hears from me
    next week - you'll know exactly what happened.
    http://www.retroreds.co.uk/

    #2
    You can prove anything with facts...
    Screaming from beneath the waves...

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      #3
      Top notch post. A great read. Would love a Sunday paper to publish this and put the zonal marking debate to bed for once and for all!!!
      Dare we believe

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        #4
        Ive actually known that, well it was obvious something was working with the clean sheet records, and yet as soon as we conceed, first thing they say is about the zonal marking. They obviously dont look into the stats.
        Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
        'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

        "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

        * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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          #5
          Originally posted by zimbo
          You can prove anything with facts...
          Except your intelligence..............
          http://www.retroreds.co.uk/

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            #6
            Originally posted by zimbo
            You can prove anything with facts...
            That's because they're facts!

            Or did you mean stats?

            In which case, I'd say these are bloody conclusive.

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              #7
              That is a great article - and it really annoys me when people blame Zonal Marking, as if it's some huge Rafa gamble that is just ready to explode in his face.

              Stats can lie, but those facts do not. We have a fantastic record keeping out set-plays. End of.
              James Philip Milner Fanclub #1

              Curtis Julian Jones Fanclub #1

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                #8
                Clearly no Stewart Lee afficionados here then!

                Ho hum!

                (Retreats to cellar with bottle of brandy and shotgun....)
                Screaming from beneath the waves...

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by zimbo
                  Clearly no Stewart Lee afficionados here then!

                  Ho hum!

                  (Retreats to cellar with bottle of brandy and shotgun....)
                  I thought you might be joking....seems bloody obvious to me now actually .

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                    #10
                    Last season we did have a run of a few games where we were troubled by set-pieces. Even then it's not the system to blame, it was that individuals were not fulfilling their role in that system. It drives me ****ing mad when people just blame the system. You never hear them going on about chalking another goal up against the terrible man-marking system. Assraiding feckwits.

                    If there was anything to worry about with us and set-pieces, it's that we can't take ****ing free kicks! Aurelio looks pretty smart at them though, hopefully he'll bag us a few this season.
                    Like blood on iron

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by TheStig
                      I thought you might be joking....seems bloody obvious to me now actually .

                      Have a word with that lfc4ever feller for us, will ya!!
                      Screaming from beneath the waves...

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                        #12
                        I got it first time Zimbo.


                        (Just reaching out to that lonely place you're at right now.)


                        Good post Del. I was livid yesterday when we were critisised even when defending the ball well.

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                          #13
                          I'm glad someone has baccked up what I've been saying to anyone that I know with some stats.

                          Brilliant.
                          Oh I don't know.

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                            #14
                            Great article on zonal marking.



                            The bit that shows how few goals we've conceded from set pieces really opened my eyes. A great article and one I'd love to ram down Clive Tyldsleys throat!!
                            Babel fanclub member # 4!!!

                            **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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                              #15
                              yeah, its a good one alright, read it already. http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/show...0332#post70332
                              Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                              'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                              "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                              * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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