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    #16
    Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
    That is total crap. Whoever said that has no clue about what Rafa is really about and is showing themselves up. He is not the best tactical manager in world football for nothing. He may not have come to grips with the english game 100% yet. But he is far from being a GH type manager, as is what is being described by the Radio Presenter.
    Eh? The best tactical manager in world football? That's a bit of a stretch.
    Originally posted by Gordon Brown
    (1995)
    "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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      #17
      Originally posted by Alpha View Post
      That suggests that Rafa is pig-headed and bloody-minded. I don't think it is that simple.

      I prefer a chess analogy. If Rafa picks a rook to move up-and-down in straight lines but finds him doing those L-shapes like a knight, his strategy isn't going to work.

      He doesn't pick Kuyt to make a point, he picks him as one part of the team unit because he has identified a role to be performed in a given match and sees Kuyt as the best option to perform that role. That is why he signed Dirk in the first place.

      Ultimately, he is more likely to replace Kuyt with a player who can perform better in that role than change his philosophy to accomodate a player in a role that doesn't necessarily fit his strategy.

      Some managers create a system around their best players. Rafa is the exact opposite. He creates his system first and fits his players into it.
      I agree with most of your post mate. except for the piece I highlighted in bold. Toady for example, it was obvious we needed to change something. Babel came on for Kewell first. It may sound like two left sided players. but when you look at it, one has pace with a devestating right foot, the other has what Rafa would call, game intelligence but not with lightening pace while being left footed, he clearly wanted someone to come inside on the left and have a crack, while utilising his pace.
      When Kuyt came off for Crouch, I think this is where he abandons what Kuyt has to offer. Crocuh will not chase and run like Kuyt can, but he will cause havoc with high balls into the box. It is a sign that Rafa's crushng system wasn't working, maybe due to Kuyt's lack of quality in the final third, but Rafa is prepared to change things around tactically in game if the need be.
      Riise picked up an injury as far as the commentators were concerned.
      Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
      'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

      "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

      * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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        #18
        Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
        Eh? The best tactical manager in world football? That's a bit of a stretch.
        Not for me it is not mate lol. I am not a superfan either as DJS may describe it lol. If you would like to name a better tactical manager I am all ears.
        I will stress though, this ability I am saying that Rafa has is mostly suited to cup competitions due to Rafa's rotation and settling in periods which in my opinion cost him dear at the start of a league season when we are looking for consistancy in a league that takes no prisioners.
        Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
        'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

        "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

        * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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          #19
          Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
          Not for me it is not mate lol. I am not a superfan either as DJS may describe it lol. If you would like to name a better tactical manager I am all ears.
          I will stress though, this ability I am saying that Rafa has is mostly suited to cup competitions due to Rafa's rotation and settling in periods which in my opinion cost him dear at the start of a league season when we are looking for consistancy in a league that takes no prisioners.
          If he was the best tactical manager in world football he wouldn't have such a dreadful record against Fergusson and he wouldn't get gubbed 3-1 by Reading.
          Best tactical manager in world football? Well it'd have to be someone with an outstanding record like Wenger, Fergusson, Capello.
          Originally posted by Gordon Brown
          (1995)
          "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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            #20
            Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
            If he was the best tactical manager in world football he wouldn't have such a dreadful record against Fergusson and he wouldn't get gubbed 3-1 by Reading.
            Best tactical manager in world football? Well it'd have to be someone with an outstanding record like Wenger, Fergusson, Capello.
            Wenger is a genius, but an outstanding tactician he is not IMO
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            Purslow = C*nt

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              #21
              Originally posted by Dhavlos View Post
              Wenger is a genius, but an outstanding tactician he is not IMO
              Yeah but you're biased

              Come on, the way his teams play with flair and passing and moving against some of the hoofers in the premiership.
              To play football like his team does AND still win in the high paced headless chicken Premiership takes an outstanding feat of tactical nouse, if you ask me.
              Originally posted by Gordon Brown
              (1995)
              "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                #22
                Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                If he was the best tactical manager in world football he wouldn't have such a dreadful record against Fergusson and he wouldn't get gubbed 3-1 by Reading.
                Best tactical manager in world football? Well it'd have to be someone with an outstanding record like Wenger, Fergusson, Capello.
                I don't agree mate.
                Each of the managers you described have a good system with some exception players in the club sides. They don't really have a plan B and only have one way of playing, that is not the case with Rafa. Rafa can organise a team to go out against any kind of opposition. and play almost any kind of formation without struggling too much, the players will be schooled enough to adapt. This can not be said for the others.
                Plus, Rafa sets the teams up with the opposition in mind making a point to nulify their weaknesses while maximizing our own, while Wenger and slur Alex do this to a degree, they are not nearly as tacitcally proficient as Rafa is. I know our league position does not reflect this. But our success in playin many different types of opposition like the ones you encounter in the champions League does. tactically, we are far more flexible than any of our rivals, and that includes the whole of Europe.
                Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
                  I agree with most of your post mate. except for the piece I highlighted in bold. Toady for example, it was obvious we needed to change something. Babel came on for Kewell first. It may sound like two left sided players. but when you look at it, one has pace with a devestating right foot, the other has what Rafa would call, game intelligence but not with lightening pace while being left footed, he clearly wanted someone to come inside on the left and have a crack, while utilising his pace.
                  When Kuyt came off for Crouch, I think this is where he abandons what Kuyt has to offer. Crocuh will not chase and run like Kuyt can, but he will cause havoc with high balls into the box. It is a sign that Rafa's crushng system wasn't working, maybe due to Kuyt's lack of quality in the final third, but Rafa is prepared to change things around tactically in game if the need be.
                  Riise picked up an injury as far as the commentators were concerned.
                  In the course of a game, yes, he'll change his system.

                  By 'replace', I mean't he'll sell Kuyt on if necessary and bring in somebody else.
                  It's not good because it's rude. It's good because it looks like it's good because it's rude.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
                    I don't agree mate.
                    Each of the managers you described have a good system with some exception players in the club sides. They don't really have a plan B and only have one way of playing, that is not the case with Rafa. Rafa can organise a team to go out against any kind of opposition. and play almost any kind of formation without struggling too much, the players will be schooled enough to adapt. This can not be said for the others.
                    Plus, Rafa sets the teams up with the opposition in mind making a point to nulify their weaknesses while maximizing our own, while Wenger and slur Alex do this to a degree, they are not nearly as tacitcally proficient as Rafa is. I know our league position does not reflect this. But our success in playin many different types of opposition like the ones you encounter in the champions League does. tactically, we are far more flexible than any of our rivals, and that includes the whole of Europe.
                    Rafa's squads may be able to adapt at will but he makes such BASIC tactical errors. Gerrard as the holding midfielder in a game when we're 1-0 down like today??

                    Playing the formation he played at Reading??

                    I just don't see this tactical genius you're describing, he's not bad, but he's not the best in the world, he makes too many mistakes.
                    Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                    (1995)
                    "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Alpha View Post
                      In the course of a game, yes, he'll change his system.

                      By 'replace', I mean't he'll sell Kuyt on if necessary and bring in somebody else.
                      Sorry mate, missunderstood
                      Hopefully if he brings in another pressure player, he will have significantly more quality on the ball.
                      Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                      'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                      "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                      * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                        #26
                        Anyway, the very fact he bothers toplay with 2 defensive midfielders automatically rules him out of the running for the best tactical manager in the world race IMO
                        Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                        (1995)
                        "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                          Rafa's squads may be able to adapt at will but he makes such BASIC tactical errors. Gerrard as the holding midfielder in a game when we're 1-0 down like today??

                          Playing the formation he played at Reading??

                          I just don't see this tactical genius you're describing, he's not bad, but he's not the best in the world, he makes too many mistakes.
                          I didn't see the game or even any highlights of the Reading match, was in Vegas. But against the mancs today, we needed men in midfield. I would say he Gerrard was strictly a holding midfielder either, he got forward when he could, Mascher was more the holding midfielder. If Alonso had been match fit, you can be sure, Gerrard would have been roaming today or atleast not in a central midfield role.
                          Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                          'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                          "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                          * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                            #28
                            Liam Brady has alot to do with the way the young Arsenal players play its not all Wenger.
                            When you feel like you're done, you are not alone........

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                              Anyway, the very fact he bothers toplay with 2 defensive midfielders automatically rules him out of the running for the best tactical manager in the world race IMO
                              That is why practically the whole of the Spanish league tried to mimic his system then of playing two holding midfielders? It is a great platform to play from if you have the sufficient quality to play off it.
                              Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                              'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                              "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                              * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
                                I didn't see the game or even any highlights of the Reading match, was in Vegas. But against the mancs today, we needed men in midfield. I would say he Gerrard was strictly a holding midfielder either, he got forward when he could, Mascher was more the holding midfielder. If Alonso had been match fit, you can be sure, Gerrard would have been roaming today or atleast not in a central midfield role.
                                I didn't see today's game, I listened on the radio and watched MOTD2 but judging from that and from others comments on here, Gerrard was essentially played behind Mascherano in the latter stages today.

                                Even so, the Reading formation beggared belief

                                Good move going to Vegas
                                Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                                (1995)
                                "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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