Am I the only one...

[bazza76]

No you are not the only one who is concerned. I have heard a few things myself and though it is upsetting, i choose to wait until the next transfer window which will speak volumes about the direction of the club. for now, enjoy the holidays, get behind EVERY player and the manager and lets take every game as it comes

[CAD]

The TV money doesn't come till the end of this season, so no we didn't have this. Yes G&H borrowed the money to buy Torres, not the club. You must remember this was the same club that couldn't borrow the money to buy kuyt so Moores had to lend the money himself. You take that money away from the normal amount we spent under Moores and we would have been left with a net spend of about £5m, not the £26m net spend we had so we wouldn't have got him, Babel and Lucas with Moores in charge.
I really wish people wouldn't assume we have the TV money this year as it is obvious we don't, people are just twisting things to suit.
before you say it I will once again say yes I am worried but I like to base my opinion on facts and not peoples opinion and invented numbers.

I've read this from you many times now and I think it is muck SOTD.

The money was lend from Moores for technical reasons. Nothing else. If Moores had wanted to lend the money in LFCs name he could have done so. To say that a multimillion dollar business like LFC couldn't borrow 10mill, or even less cause we are talking about installments down the line, is moronic. Of course LFC could. Moores lend the money to LFC and got it back when he sold the club for whatever reasons.

Anybody who has ever been involved in running a business will tell you that it doesn't matter whether or not the TV money had arrived or not. To know that they are on the way is enough and you would be able to use that as collateral in any bank. It makes ZERO difference whether the money had physically arrived or not. To suggest it is laughable. I'm sorry but it is

G&H took out a huge loan to buy the club but I have yet to see any evidence that they brought any cash into the club. With a 23 mill netspend - and let me just take a brake here: How can you say that you don't accept the term netspend?!? You refuse to acknowledge that we sell player and recoup money?!? What the hell is that about? I don't think you did that SOTD but I read it in some lame post today and just wanted to address it. Anyway, with a 23 netspend and an income on TV and CL money above that there has been no outlay from G&H to buy any player last window. That is a fair point.

I apologize if some of the above sounds patronizing or is too strongly worded. I've been to a xmas dinner and I'm drunk and tired. I have little diplomacy left

[StevieG08]

I've read this from you many times now and I think it is muck SOTD.

The money was lend from Moores for technical reasons. Nothing else. If Moores had wanted to lend the money in LFCs name he could have done so. To say that a multimillion dollar business like LFC couldn't borrow 10mill, or even less cause we are talking about installments down the line, is moronic. Of course LFC could. Moores lend the money to LFC and got it back when he sold the club for whatever reasons.

Anybody who has ever been involved in running a business will tell you that it doesn't matter whether or not the TV money had arrived or not. To know that they are on the way is enough and you would be able to use that as collateral in any bank. It makes ZERO difference whether the money had physically arrived or not. To suggest it is laughable. I'm sorry but it is

G&H took out a huge loan to buy the club but I have yet to see any evidence that they brought any cash into the club. With a 23 mill netspend - and let me just take a brake here: How can you say that you don't accept the term netspend?!? You refuse to acknowledge that we sell player and recoup money?!? What the hell is that about? I don't think you did that SOTD but I read it in some lame post today and just wanted to address it. Anyway, with a 23 netspend and an income on TV and CL money above that there has been no outlay from G&H to buy any player last window. That is a fair point.

I apologize if some of the above sounds patronizing or is too strongly worded. I've been to a xmas dinner and I'm drunk and tired. I have little diplomacy left

Many of your points are spot on, i can't see any evidence that H&G have put any of their own money into the club. Many reports suggest that the loan they're trying to refinance includes the money for the Torres & Babel deals, this speaks volumes IMO. However as Revo suggests the most telling time will be the January transfer window, it will answer 2 questions - will the owners back Rafa and will they fund an improved first team to bring us on. I believe they wont do either but will wait and see.

[sonsofthedesert]

I've read this from you many times now and I think it is muck SOTD.

The money was lend from Moores for technical reasons. Nothing else. If Moores had wanted to lend the money in LFCs name he could have done so. To say that a multimillion dollar business like LFC couldn't borrow 10mill, or even less cause we are talking about installments down the line, is moronic. Of course LFC could. Moores lend the money to LFC and got it back when he sold the club for whatever reasons.

Anybody who has ever been involved in running a business will tell you that it doesn't matter whether or not the TV money had arrived or not. To know that they are on the way is enough and you would be able to use that as collateral in any bank. It makes ZERO difference whether the money had physically arrived or not. To suggest it is laughable. I'm sorry but it is

G&H took out a huge loan to buy the club but I have yet to see any evidence that they brought any cash into the club. With a 23 mill netspend - and let me just take a brake here: How can you say that you don't accept the term netspend?!? You refuse to acknowledge that we sell player and recoup money?!? What the hell is that about? I don't think you did that SOTD but I read it in some lame post today and just wanted to address it. Anyway, with a 23 netspend and an income on TV and CL money above that there has been no outlay from G&H to buy any player last window. That is a fair point.

I apologize if some of the above sounds patronizing or is too strongly worded. I've been to a xmas dinner and I'm drunk and tired. I have little diplomacy left

I am basing what I said on what was said at the time of the takeover, the echo talked about Moores ending the club the money for Kuyt as the club couldn't afford him so I am sorry for what I am saying but it is for a reason.
I notice you eft the bit about the TV money alone, I guess you agree with the main point of my post which was there because AFII keeps on saying the club had that money. Also I d totally agree with you on the net spend thing, it is important to consider BUT we don't know all the figures involved so it is difficult for us to understand.