Feeling towards G&H

[AFII]

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For FS! DIC would buy the club as a business. THAT IS ALL. They would load it with debt AS APPROPRIATE. And if the club couldn't support that debt, and went to the wall - i.e if they made a mistake - they would let us go to the wall. END OF.

ALL you FMs talking about them trying to 'maintain their reputation' are talking ****e - maintain their reputation for what? Saving failed businesses? So that DIC look like good investors in future? BS! These people are business men - ask yourself how much money they've shoved into Sony these days? Do they care if Wii is actually more enjoyable to use than PS? No of course they sodding don't. They care if it makes more money, and that's the end of it.

Honestly, some of you people need to wake up and smell the sodding coffee. You are projecting personal feelings onto a business, where there are no personal feelings. And as for Ansari being an LFC fan - F*ck me you lot are gullible....At least we got bought by people who like to watch sport. I've never seen a private equity company watch sport before.

Eh, Ansari likes to watch sport, just wanted to point that out to you.

If DIC makes some bad deals or don't treat the companies they invest in in a fair way then their reputation will be hurt and it will be more expensive for them to invest in other companies.

To have a good reputation is very important. Why do you think the big companies splash out million after million on good PR?

[AFII]

No one knows what plans DIC had or how they would have acted if they had bought the club so it really is pointless to come with posts like, smell the coffee.

It's all speculation.

They may have splashed the cash but they could also have done what G&H now are doing, paying everything through loans.

[Tatterdemalion]

Eh, Ansari likes to watch sport, just wanted to point that out to you.

If DIC makes some bad deals or don't treat the companies they invest in in a fair way then their reputation will be hurt and it will be more expensive for them to invest in other companies.

To have a good reputation is very important. Why do you think the big companies splash out million after million on good PR?

You're talking about an investment company, not Coca Cola.

They're not trying to sell anything when they invest. Remember they're the guys with the money. Expense re other companies depends entirely on the invest opportunity, not how well/badly they treat us.

Treating Liverpool badly will not hurt their reputation. Sorry, pal, but we'd be a fly on their arse.

[Tatterdemalion]

No one knows what plans DIC had or how they would have acted if they had bought the club so it really is pointless to come with posts like, smell the coffee.

It's all speculation.

They may have splashed the cash but they could also have done what G&H now are doing, paying everything through loans.

They would have paid for everything through loans, which is exactly the point I made at the time. And actually, it is not speculation to suggest what they would have done with company had they bought it. Investment companies like DIC buy companies like ours every sodding day. It's not like we've just invented private equity just because we might be the subject of a bid, you know. This kind of business has been going on for decades. I don't need to speculate as to what they would do. If I had the cash, and I wasn't a fan, I would do it myself.

And it is right to suggest people wake up. DIC would not run the club like fans would, they wouold run it like an investment. That's what they do. In case you hadn't noticed they have bought stakes in a lot of other companies. Do you reckon they just really like Sony then?

[sonsofthedesert]

Tatterdemalion, I have been trying to say everything you have just said for ages, AFII and a few others will not listen as it doesn't fit in with their view of things. Facts are there to be twisted to something they are not. Still though thanks for saying it all as well.

[Tatterdemalion]

I'm not trying to be an arse about it, although I am an arse.

The thing is that everyone on here is a fan. Some poeple know something about investment business and some people don't, but because it's about Liverpool, everyone thinks that their relative knowledge about Liverpool is still valid.

It isn't. I mean you wouldn't advise a physicist how to launch a rocket just because it had an LFC sticker on it, would you?

[Imy]

I honestly believe DIC would have pumped money in to us, they would have used Liverpool to advertise brand Dubai on a world/European stage.

Would they have borrowed money to buy the club? probably, this is how businesses work don't they, the way they use risk, probably the reason why so many entrepreneur's are rich and successful.

Would they have done a better job then G&H is the real question, as i mentioned earlier who knows. I believe they probably would have, being backed by Dubai - a state with vast resources would be one of the reasons, evidence of their turnarounds of other brands also.

What about exit strategy many cry, well once the team is successful on and off the pitch, once it is self financing (such as Man yoo) then only another rich owner would be sought.

[Darth Marty]

@ Tatterdemalion - someone said on here the other day "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole."
It's not what you say, it's the way in which you say it.

[AFII]

I'm not trying to be an arse about it, although I am an arse.

The thing is that everyone on here is a fan. Some poeple know something about investment business and some people don't, but because it's about Liverpool, everyone thinks that their relative knowledge about Liverpool is still valid.

It isn't. I mean you wouldn't advise a physicist how to launch a rocket just because it had an LFC sticker on it, would you?

No one knows for sure how DIC would run the club if they buy us or if they had done it. It's all speculation.

Ansari usually splash the cash when it comes down to his hobbies and who knows, maybe we would have been one of his hobbies, but it's all speculation.

You are speculating just as everyone else do because you don't know for a fact what DIC would do.

DIC usually want to be seen as the best in everything they do so why would they treat us any different? They are not happy being second best.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

DIC, how did we miss out on them, 3 days of Moores & Parry not taking their calls is how, Such class. I can see it now, 'just tell em the moby could'nt get reception' or 'my battery went dead & my charger broke' i know 'it was on silent for 3 days & i never knew'. No wonder DIC were furious. Such a great chance gone begging.

You really don't pay attention do you?

Moores was obligated under law, and to the rest of the shareholders, to examine the Yanks bid.

It was DIC who threw a strop and ****ed off. Perhaps their bid didn't value the club as highly?

[captainfog]

I honestly believe DIC would have pumped money in to us, they would have used Liverpool to advertise brand Dubai on a world/European stage.

Would they have borrowed money to buy the club? probably, this is how businesses work don't they, the way they use risk, probably the reason why so many entrepreneur's are rich and successful.

Would they have done a better job then G&H is the real question, as i mentioned earlier who knows. I believe they probably would have, being backed by Dubai - a state with vast resources would be one of the reasons, evidence of their turnarounds of other brands also.

What about exit strategy many cry, well once the team is successful on and off the pitch, once it is self financing (such as Man yoo) then only another rich owner would be sought.

nail on head

[captainfog]

You really don't pay attention do you?

Moores was obligated under law, and to the rest of the shareholders, to examine the Yanks bid.

It was DIC who threw a strop and ****ed off. Perhaps their bid didn't value the club as highly?

No they walked away because Moores didn't inform them about what was going on, not that had the meeting and examined another bid. He gave them a gentlemans agreement and he broke it, so they walked.

If's and but's, as someone else said, it's a moot point.

[Red_Al_77]

DIC offered 4200 for each share. G&H offered 5000.

That is the bottom line.

[Venton]

I honestly believe DIC would have pumped money in to us, they would have used Liverpool to advertise brand Dubai on a world/European stage.

Would they have borrowed money to buy the club? probably, this is how businesses work don't they, the way they use risk, probably the reason why so many entrepreneur's are rich and successful.

Would they have done a better job then G&H is the real question, as i mentioned earlier who knows. I believe they probably would have, being backed by Dubai - a state with vast resources would be one of the reasons, evidence of their turnarounds of other brands also.

What about exit strategy many cry, well once the team is successful on and off the pitch, once it is self financing (such as Man yoo) then only another rich owner would be sought.

Why do they want to advertise Dubai? Corporations are shagging themselves up the arse to get office space over there at the moment. They're not selling trainers here. They invest in businesses and make large amounts of money out of them. And if they see them failing they can afford to **** them off at the earliest opportunity as well.

[AFII]

DIC offered 4200 for each share. G&H offered 5000.

That is the bottom line.

It was about the money and not what was best for the club. It was such a big difference that Moores couldn't turn them down in respect to the other shareholders.