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    Perhaps the biggest frustration for me with our team is our full backs. I'm not sure if its the players themselves or Rafa's use of them but by and large they offer very little going forward. Today was typical for me. In a game where we badly needed to stretch the game, our full backs offered little support.

    Compare this to our title rivals, all of which have at least 1 really top notch attacking full back. Man Utd have Evra. Chelsea have Cole and Arsenal have Clichy. All 3 players are a constant attacking threat, providing real width in the final third. Arsenal in particular use both their full backs in the attacking third, because they like us, lack any real width in midfield.

    Our wide players in midfield tend to like to come inside rather than go past on the outside. Benny and Babel are particulary keen to do this. This isn't a problem if the full back provides width but ours don't. Finnan was a great attacking full back with Fulahm but he hardly gets forward at all now. He's scored 1 goal for LFC in 201 appearences, yet in 350 appearences prior to joining us he scored 16.

    On the left JAR is more attacking but even he offers little real width. His main attacking threat is from set pieces. He doesn't have the ability to beat his man on the outside.

    I'm not sure if the players are solely to blame. I very much doubt Rafa encourages them to get forward but its essential when our midfield is so narrow.

    2 of LFC's most important goals were scored by fullbacks. Alan Kennedy scored the winner to secure the European cup against Real Madrid from open play with about 10 minutes to go.

    Against roma in a European Cup Final, it was another full back who scored our goal, again from open play. Phil Neal found himself unmarked on the 6 yard box to prod home the all important goal.

    I don't believe either goal would be scored by todays team. No way would our left back be bursting forward at 0-0 in the last 10 minutes of a final. Equally no way would Finnan/Arbeloa find themselves on the six yard line from open play in the 1st 20 minutes or so of a final.

    In short we need to use our full backs in a more attacking way if we are to turn some of our draws into all important 3 points. Today ours did little to help the cause. Imagine the other 'big 3' in the same boat, their full backs would have been continually bombing forward.

    I suspect Rafa is reluctant to allow any defenders much scope to venture forward, he;s too cautious for that but maybe that our problem at the moment and why so many winnable games have ended in 1 point and not 3.
    AKA Heighway No9

    #2
    If only that Aurelio could stay fit, makes Riise look like a pub player, especially going forward.
    I hate Polanski

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      #3
      Originally posted by CharlieMansonsSquint View Post
      If only that Aurelio could stay fit, makes Riise look like a pub player, especially going forward.
      So true.

      Aurelio is a footballer in every sense of the word, good touch, intelligence and can pass.

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        #4
        finnan used to play rm as a winger thats where his goals came from
        nothing wrong with our full backs imo ,riise aside.
        Parry is a clown. En Rafa que confiamos

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          #5
          Arbeloa and Aurelio will be flying if Agger or Hyypia are fit and Aurelio can stay fit. They have the ability to stretch the game, overlap wingers and put in decent crosses moreso from Aurelio.

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            #6
            Aurelio on a free was a masterstroke of a signing.

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              #7
              All we need is Brazilian right-back (say, I don't know, Daniel Alves?) and we can play a traditional Brazilian magic square formation.

              Ginga!!!

              ---------------Reina
              Alves-----Carra-----Agger-----Aurelio
              --|-------Masher---Alonso--------|--
              --|-------Gerrard---Lucas---------|--
              --v-------Babel-----Torres--------v--

              It's not good because it's rude. It's good because it looks like it's good because it's rude.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Alpha View Post
                All we need is Brazilian right-back (say, I don't know, Daniel Alves?) and we can play a traditional Brazilian magic square formation.

                Ginga!!!

                ---------------Reina
                Alves-----Carra-----Agger-----Aurelio
                --|-------Masher---Alonso--------|--
                --|-------Gerrard---Lucas---------|--
                --v-------Babel-----Torres--------v--

                Alves or Rafinha would be a great signing.
                Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AFII View Post
                  Alves or Rafinha would be a great signing.
                  Maicon or Cicinho???

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by AFII View Post
                    Alves or Rafinha would be a great signing.
                    I wasn't being serious, by the way.
                    It's not good because it's rude. It's good because it looks like it's good because it's rude.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ben Tover View Post
                      Maicon or Cicinho???
                      Maicon is a very unrealistic target. Would probably cost £30m+ to prize him away from Inter.

                      Rafinha is better than Cicinho.
                      Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                      According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                        #12
                        Aurelio certainly offers more attacking options but he must first show that he can defend to the required level. Players like Evra, Clichy and Cole are excellent going forward but equally are sound defensively. Aurelio's defensive qualities are less proven. He's improving but quite honestly when he first came he was very poor positionally.

                        However, I also think Rafa needs to encourage our full backs to get forward more. I'm far from convinced Rafa sees his fullbacks an integral to our attacking play.
                        AKA Heighway No9

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Alpha View Post
                          I wasn't being serious, by the way.
                          I know that Alves isn't a realistic signing anymore but we need better fullbacks.

                          Finnan is on the way down even that he has one or two years left but he is still very good.

                          Arbeloa is excellent but we need cover for him.
                          Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                          According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by AFII View Post
                            I know that Alves isn't a realistic signing anymore but we need better fullbacks.

                            Finnan is on the way down even that he has one or two years left but he is still very good.

                            Arbeloa is excellent but we need cover for him.
                            Spearing wouldn't be too bad

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Alpha View Post
                              All we need is Brazilian right-back (say, I don't know, Daniel Alves?) and we can play a traditional Brazilian magic square formation.

                              Ginga!!!

                              ---------------Reina
                              Alves-----Carra-----Agger-----Aurelio
                              --|-------Masher---Alonso--------|--
                              --|-------Gerrard---Lucas---------|--
                              --v-------Babel-----Torres--------v--

                              I know you are joking (and I hate the magic square formation) but I do think two genuine attacking fullbacks who are comfortable on the ball and can cross is the way forward.

                              I really wish Aurelio could stay fit as he would be one of the two.
                              "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                              -- William Blake

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