Wigan Post Match

[disco]

There's a lot of after-timing about the formation going on here. 2 of the top teams play that way. My only criticism is that I wouldn't have played Pennant with Benny and Babel playing well.

In fact, I would have played both instead of Kewell as well.

Right formation, wrong players.

[Roboklopp]

and i say WELCOME MOURINHO he would win us the league like him or not he is a proven manager!!!

the difference is £300m you utter utter ****ing retard.

[Robster007]

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Originally Posted by carlton
If it wasnt the formation and the tactics then what?

The simple things of football.

Gerrard and Mascherano had two chances to score in the first half, easy chances. Gerrard's chance was ridiculously easy, yet he failed to score being alone against the keeper with no defenders around him.

Another thing, Wigan get a free kick 45 yards from goal. They punt it in the box. Crap ball, no direction, straight to Gerrard. No Wigan defender around him, no pressure, he slices it at Mascherano. Mascherano tries to control it but it flicks right into Bramble's path. Wigan's only shot at goal, is a goal.

Then Gerrard, has a chance to redeem himself. After a great build up play, he shoots, Kirkland saves but can't control the ball, he's on the ground. Alonso and Gerrard race for it and kinda hinder each other's angle to the ball. Gerrard, from point blank, manages to hit it straight at the grounded keeper. Amazing.

What did Rafa have to do with it. Why do the mancs for example, manage to get the following results, without conceding that "freak" goal, does everything seem to go their way?

Sunderland 1-0
Tottenham 1-0 (Tottenham had amazing chances to win it before conceding)
Birmingham 1-0 (twice)
Everton 1-0 and 2-1 (both winners in the last 10 minutes)
Liverpool 1-0

Do you honestly think this has anything to do with a bloody formation? We fail in things managers are not supposed to teach players.


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Why play 1 striker against a side that is relegation threatened?

I'll talk slowly.

ARSENAL. ADEBAYOR. EBOUE AT RM. ROSICKY AT LM. HLEB BEHIND ADEBAYOR. ONE STRIKER. Happened most of this season, at home and away.

CHELSEA. DROGBA. TWO WINGERS BEHIND HIM. Countless of times, home and away.


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Why leave Kewell for 75 mins when he is clearly not up for it?

What does this have anything to do with Gerrard unable to clear a simple ball from this box and us not finishing the chances we created even when Kewell was on the pitch?


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I dont understand bringing on two strikers with 5 mins to go, why not earlier?

Because they equalized?


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This is bull****, **** this. Why would you give the Manager more money to spend when this sort of dross is served up ? Shattered.

Yes, Rafa is clearly to blame.

I have to agree with nearly all of this. If not ALL. I'm trying to look through the disappointment.

[disco]

the difference is £300m you utter utter ****ing retard.

Post of the night!

[JohnDoe]

Don't you think we should be more than 1-0 up against a team like Wigan at home if we battered them for 80 odd minutes?

I do.

Mancs get away with it all the time for some reason.

[kurtangle01]

Fredo - we're seriously considering having a holiday this year in Mauritius.

We should meet - you're not going to be a cock in real life are you?

[carlton]

The simple things of football.

Gerrard and Mascherano had two chances to score in the first half, easy chances. Gerrard's chance was ridiculously easy, yet he failed to score being alone against the keeper with no defenders around him.

Another thing, Wigan get a free kick 45 yards from goal. They punt it in the box. Crap ball, no direction, straight to Gerrard. No Wigan defender around him, no pressure, he slices it at Mascherano. Mascherano tries to control it but it flicks right into Bramble's path. Wigan's only shot at goal, is a goal.

Then Gerrard, has a chance to redeem himself. After a great build up play, he shoots, Kirkland saves but can't control the ball, he's on the ground. Alonso and Gerrard race for it and kinda hinder each other's angle to the ball. Gerrard, from point blank, manages to hit it straight at the grounded keeper. Amazing.

What did Rafa have to do with it. Why do the mancs for example, manage to get the following results, without conceding that "freak" goal, does everything seem to go their way?

Sunderland 1-0
Tottenham 1-0 (Tottenham had amazing chances to win it before conceding)
Birmingham 1-0 (twice)
Everton 1-0 and 2-1 (both winners in the last 10 minutes)
Liverpool 1-0

Do you honestly think this has anything to do with a bloody formation? We fail in things managers are not supposed to teach players.



I'll talk slowly.

ARSENAL. ADEBAYOR. EBOUE AT RM. ROSICKY AT LM. HLEB BEHIND ADEBAYOR. ONE STRIKER. Happened most of this season, at home and away.

CHELSEA. DROGBA. TWO WINGERS BEHIND HIM. Countless of times, home and away.



What does this have anything to do with Gerrard unable to clear a simple ball from this box and us not finishing the chances we created even when Kewell was on the pitch?



Because they equalized?



Yes, Rafa is clearly to blame.

Mate you don't need to say things slowly perhaps you need to open your eyes though. You are having a laugh comparing us with Arsenal. The table doesnt lie! I think they scored a good 10 mins before the end too-the point is why not bring on another striker to finish the game off and give them time to get into the bleedin game instead of expecting (hoping) something miraculous is going to happen in the last few minutes. How many times has that happened this season? I think he got it wrong.

[Joe King]

Who's the deluded fool ? You or me ?

Just calm down and look at the bigger picture. Sacking Rafa would not be the solution.

So keeping him and not being anywhere closer compared to last season is the answer. If we were supposed to challenge for the title, we should have lasted at least until March, April. We lost the title race soon as we lost to Reading and the Scum back to back.

You explain to me, what is the bigger picture?

[Guest]

I'm on tonight because I'm up on Scotland, yes, but normally I'm at the match. I had a ticket for tonight and couldn't go. I wouldn't have booed the team off the pitch but I wouldn't blame supporters who did.

I don't go round telling people what opinion to have either fredo. That's your job but ofcourse you're always right and a fountain of knowledge where LFC is concerned.

I'm not saying I'm always right. I get pilloried for not going with the grain here. Who said I'm a fountain of knowledge ?

You're frustrated, so I am. But I'm not blaming it on Rafa or Stevie or Carra or whoever. Would you be pleased if your manager sacked you for trying to do your best ? Now tell me.

[Red Chilli]

Personal opinion here but this result combined with the Citeh result and the close call at Derby has been a defining moment.
In my opinion, there is no way the Yanks are going to invest in Rafa in a significant way this January. He will be given what he raises so we will probably buy Mascherano.
Other thna that, he's treading water until May. He's going to need a minor miracle (title win) to turn it around, I think that's the only thing that will save him in the summer.
Sad but that's the way I see it.

[Owen20]

Mancs get away with it all the time for some reason.

Because they're MILES better than we are!

And trust me, that is REALLY hard for me to say

[Red Chilli]

Mancs get away with it all the time for some reason.

Because they're good enough, and we're not

[kopdan]

I mean..come on...Vinny Samways

[Owen20]

the difference is £300m you utter utter ****ing retard.

[MrMichael]

and i say WELCOME MOURINHO he would win us the league like him or not he is a proven manager!!!

He won the CL with Porto. Well Rafa did that with us. He won the Portugese league. Rafa won the Spanish league. Which leaves what he achieved at Chelsea.

Which was what? Win the league twice, yeah. But how? With more money that any other club has EVER spent, by a huge margin. Chelsea were something like £350m in the negative during those 2 years. We are simply not, and never will be, in that position, so far in the history of world football only 1 manager has ever had that level of financing in such a short space of time.

I repeat. He plays defensive football. He rotates as much as Rafa. He plays similar formations, and has similar ideas about the technical and tactical areas of the game. Plus, he has no class. His reputation is as much self-made hyperbole as it is fact in my mind, and he would bring no guarantee of a league title. No manager brings that.


Oh, and I know people are worked up, but lets have less of the outright insults please, turning on each other is just "the Liverpool way" isn't it