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    Wigan can now add their name to a list which includes Manchester City, Birmingham, Chelsea and Blackburn – all teams who have been distinctly second best in meetings with Liverpool this season and all teams who escaped without defeat.

    Liverpool have taken a measly five points from these five games when a more ruthless edge would have seen them take all 15.

    Wigan arrived at Anfield with a desire to do no more than mimic City’s ultra defensive showing against the Reds at the weekend, continuously dragging all 11 men behind the ball and looking to frustrate rather than create.

    The fact that such limited ambition was ultimately rewarded with an ill deserved draw tells us far more about Liverpool’s all too apparent shortcomings than it does about Wigan’s revival under new boss Steve Bruce.

    Make no mistake about it, if Manchester United or Arsenal had been as dominant against such poor opposition they would have won at a canter. And herein lies the difference.

    Teams which have genuine hopes of winning the title are built on a decisive efficiency which allows them to cash in on even the slightest advantage.

    Weaknesses are punished and strengths are neutralised.

    But teams who fall short of a genuine challenge do so because they lack either the wit, the belief or the ability to regularly make their superiority count.

    It’s not that Liverpool are a poor side because they certainly are not. But they do have limitations and, unfortunately, they are the kind which allows inferior opposition to frustrate them.

    The biggest problem is a lack of goals from everyone apart from Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard.

    Liverpool are suffering from a chronic lack of threat from all areas of the pitch and unless this problem is addressed anyone expecting them to finish above the likes of United and Arsenal is only going to be sorely disappointed.

    There is a spine in place. From Pepe Reina, Jamie Carragher and Daniel Agger in defence through Gerrard, Alonso and Javier Mascherano in midfield, right up to Torres up front.

    And it is a spine which has the potential to better anything on display at the other members of the ‘big four’ – but only if they are supplemented by players of similar class in other positions.

    With the January transfer window open, now would be the ideal time to add to what they already have. But this month’s new recruits are likely to represent no more than a sticking plaster when what is really needed is urgent surgery.

    As United go for Berbatov and Chelsea bid for Anelka, Liverpool will be adding a centre back to their ranks.

    An important addition to the squad and an injury depleted position filled, no doubt. But it hardly sets the pulses racing, does it?

    Rafa Benitez would love to be in the running for an attacking talent like Berbatov and there are even those at Anfield who have offered to drive to White Hart Lane and pick the Bulgarian up himself if only the club could come up with the cash to sign him.

    For all the injury concerns in defence, the big problems lie further forward and that is why Liverpool can dominate games, having a ridiculous number of efforts on goal, without actually winning.

    http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

    Think that says what all of us are thinking

    #2
    good read which sums it up perfectly
    In Rafa I Trust

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      #3
      Originally posted by DeeGame View Post
      good read which sums it up perfectly
      Great minds (Indian minds)

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        #4
        its ****in hateful to be all but out of the title race isnt it
        "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

        "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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          #5
          The simple fact is Rafa needs to take the decision to start players who are in form every game and throw out the rotation policy in the premier league.

          Yossi, Babel, Crouch, Masher, Torres should be starting every game IMO.

          Voronin, Momo, Riise, Kewell should be sold ASAP.


          We need another striker of high quality. (Raul, Berbatov, Santa Cruz, Owen (!)
          And another defender, but not Bridge!

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            #6
            I am also very depressed. Had a little cry about it all last night but my woman gave me a cuddle, rested my head on her ample buzzum and I stopped. The worlds not such a depressing place.

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              #7
              Guardian Blog on Rafa and LFC

              Time is running out for Liverpool - and Benítez too

              It was once unthinkable that Liverpool would surpass Man United's 26 years without a title win. Now it looks almost inevitable

              Scott MurrayJanuary 3, 2008 1:29 PM

              Eighteen years down, eight to go; every single Liverpool supporter knows what that's all about. But even though the club long ago wrested the Prince Charles Award for Frustrated Grandees from Manchester United, nobody seriously thought English football's most successful institution would ever embark on the kind of barren domestic run Old Trafford suffered between 1967 and 1993. But now what once seemed unthinkable looks almost inevitable.

              Since their last championship season in 1990, Liverpool Football Club have only had two proper tilts at the title. The first came in 1991 as reigning champions: the league looked a shoo-in but they capitulated down the home straight to hand the title to an Arsenal side which had two points deducted and their captain in his cups and in the jug. Their other serious campaign was under the criminally under-rated yoke of Roy Evans in 1997, when the most beautiful attack in the land became fatally compromised by a hideously ugly defence. (Finishing second under Ged Houllier in 2002 doesn't count, by the way: that side were never really in the mix come the business end of the run-in.)

              Look at it another way. Since 1990, as far as proper shots at the title go, that's only one more than Norwich City have mustered. For a club as grand as Liverpool - a club that has title pretensions at the start of every single season - that's a pitiful record. And one that doesn't look like improving any time soon.

              Something has to give. Should it be Rafa Benítez? First, a case for the defence (and seeing we're talking about winning leagues, one that doesn't involve banging on about the 2005 European Cup): while Benítez has had plenty of money to spend, he hasn't had enough to compete with the two clubs who have actually won titles since he turned up in England.

              So you can chastise Benítez for wasting £6.7m on Jermaine Pennant, a winger whose crossing makes Stig Inge Bjørnebye look like David Beckham circa 1999. You can criticise him for spending a similar amount on Peter Crouch, who despite reaching a level few thought he'd reach, is not a title-winning goalscorer whichever way you spin it. And you can point and laugh and snort and bray at Dirk Kuyt, the amazing £9m striker who still functions despite being suspended in a vat of treacle, but to do so would be to miss the point. Benítez might have made a significantly larger outlay than most managers in the league, but it's Manchester United and Chelsea who have made off with the prize, and it's Manchester United and Chelsea who regularly shop in the £15m-£25m bracket. And the quality tells. (Painfully so, when you consider Benítez wanted Carlos Tevez but wasn't given the go-ahead to buy, and look what's happened there.)

              When Benítez has spent top dollar in the market, he's bought well. The £10.5m for Xabi Alonso was nothing (even though there are worries the imperial phase of his career might have ended prematurely, with the pomp of his first season at Anfield yet to be matched). Fernando Torres came cheap at £26m and would surely win player of the year were the season to end right now. And nobody questions a penny of the £17m Javier Mascherano is worth, apart from you know who.

              So on the one hand you can argue mitigating factors - ones that the manager has not been slow to remind us as he concentrates on preparing and coaching his team, preparing and coaching his team, and preparing and coaching his team. But sadly for Benítez, the gig is up: one point ahead of Liverpool, in the fourth Champions League place, are Manchester City. Sven-Goran Eriksson hasn't yet been able to really cut loose with Thaksin Shinawatra's war chest, but of the cash he has spent, compare the contribution of Pennant and Kuyt (£15.7m) to Elano and Martin Petrov (£12.7m) and... oh Rafa!

              Even more damning is the comparison with Arsenal, a team of similarly few big-price purchases - and one which is currently 13 points ahead of Benítez's side, top of the league, scoring freely, parsimonious in defence, and attractive to watch. All the things Liverpool currently are not.

              Just like they did under Houllier, Liverpool set themselves up not to lose, and anything else is a bonus. Which is fine if all you want to do is win cups, but every single fan at Anfield knows that doesn't cut it any more. Not even in Europe. This is Benítez's fourth season in charge, and Liverpool's attack is still the complete shambles it was under Houllier. As Michael Owen was to Ged, so Torres is to Rafa - and if he doesn't score, it's up to Steven Gerrard to chip in from midfield. With defence the premium to the cost of everything else, players seldom bother piling into the box. Rarely has a team with title pretensions relied so heavily on witlessly welting the ball goalwards from distance, a fact borne out by the presence of two Liverpool players (Kuyt and John Arne Riise) in the Premier League list of top five least accurate shooters.

              It's an approach that isn't going to win a title any time soon. Benítez simply does not have a Plan B, and seeing these days even hoof-happy Arsène Wenger can mix it up, it's about time he formulated one. With only the extremely promising but raw Ryan Babel as back-up, and the likes of Dimitar Berbatov, Fabio Quagliarella and (yes) Owen out of his price range, Benítez might regret getting shot of Luis Garcia, the one player Liverpool boasted who could come up with something different. (It's a startling testimony to the turgid pap a whole post-Evans generation of Liverpool fans have been conditioned by, that the creatively minded Garcia was viewed with suspicion by a sizable portion of the Anfield crowd).

              Benítez might also regret falling out with Pako Ayesteran: idle speculation in Spain, where Benítez already has a reputation in some quarters as a lucky manager who struck gold while Barcelona and Real Madrid were in the doldrums, suggests his erstwhile No2 may have been the real brains behind the project.

              Whether that's unfair or not is moot. Liverpool haven't been noticeably better or worse since Pako's departure - with or without Ayesteran, they've been consistently pedestrian - but either way it's time for Benítez to prove his true worth. It might not be too dramatic to suggest the January transfer window represents Benítez's last throw of the dice; if he can't get Liverpool playing attractive, attacking football by the end of the season, his chance to forge a lasting Anfield legacy amounting to more than a couple of cups may, like this year's title chances, be gone.



              Thoughts?
              A humble guy with healthy desire.

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                #8
                No offence mate but I'm too depressed to read it.
                Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Hot Carl View Post
                  I am also very depressed. Had a little cry about it all last night but my woman gave me a cuddle, rested my head on her ample buzzum and I stopped. The worlds not such a depressing place.
                  nice username

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                    #10
                    Fair enough. Know how you feel mate.



                    I think the article makes some fair points. Most sickening is the comparison of what Citeh spent on Elano and Petrov (£12.7M) against what we spent on Pennant and Kuyt (£15.7M).

                    Goes to show that you don't have to spend huge amounts of money to acquire quality players.
                    A humble guy with healthy desire.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by The_Milkman View Post
                      nice username
                      He must be friends with KDD
                      We come not to play.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by The_Milkman View Post
                        Rafa Benitez would love to be in the running for an attacking talent like Berbatov and there are even those at Anfield who have offered to drive to White Hart Lane and pick the Bulgarian up himself if only the club could come up with the cash to sign him.
                        I like the implication that a major impediment to the transfer might be that Berbatov can't organise transport to Liverpool.
                        "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                        -- William Blake

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by bobbyfallon View Post
                          its ****in hateful to be all but out of the title race isnt it
                          It's ****ing awful mate.

                          Another year of high promise and we're out of it by January yet again.

                          Crushing.
                          A humble guy with healthy desire.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by The Erectile Banana View Post
                            It's ****ing awful mate.

                            Another year of high promise and we're out of it by January yet again.

                            Crushing.
                            TBH i'm used to it now, false dawns and all that.
                            We come not to play.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Frodo View Post
                              TBH i'm used to it now, false dawns and all that.

                              I think we all are at this stage.

                              Doesn't make it any less depressing when it happens each year though.
                              A humble guy with healthy desire.

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