Post match thread

[kanban111]

DJS,for all intents & purposes i agree with most things you say & i also think you explain your reasons quite well,i know you are perceived by some to be a Rafa hater?doubter i'm not arsed.Too many people do bury their heads in the sand & if it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck,then it's a ****in duck as far as i'm concerned.
We are poor beyond belief & i find it immensely worrying about where we are heading long term,i'm not sure that this team/squad believes in itself too much anymore.
I could go on but!!!

[Craig_H]

I dont hate rafa, far from it. I like him a lot as it goes.

I dont think he's flexible enough to accept some of his methods dont work, and therefore wont win the title for us.

[paulcooper4]

I dont hate rafa, far from it. I like him a lot as it goes.

I dont think he's flexible enough to accept some of his methods dont work, and therefore wont win the title for us.

whereas Jose always admits when he ****s up?

[bigfooty]

New managers always bring upheaval, its accepted because good managers always have their own team, methods and preferred personnel.

But that's simple not true. As I mentioned the other day, since the turn of the Millenium the title in England, Spain and Italy has always been won by either a) a manager who had been at the club for less than 3 seasons or b) by a manager who had won the title before with the same team. Include Germany and that number rises to 1. The fact is that this belief that managers need time to impose themselves on side of a certain level of quality is based pretty much solely on one man - Ferguson - and harks back to a different era of football.

[Craig_H]

whereas Jose always admits when he ****s up?

Jose had few enough **** ups to win 2 PL titles...

If rafa wins the league, he can be as stubborn as he likes and i wont bat an eyelid.

[paulcooper4]

Jose had few enough **** ups to win 2 PL titles...

If rafa wins the league, he can be as stubborn as he likes and i wont bat an eyelid.

were never gonna agree fella. I rate rafa and respect him, you dont. You want mourinho in charge of lfc, i dont.

Lets leave it there as neither is gonna change the others mind.

[Red Chilli]

They have probally been online here .. enough to make anybody want to top themselfs

[Craig_H]

were never gonna agree fella. I rate rafa and respect him, you dont. You want mourinho in charge of lfc, i dont.

Lets leave it there as neither is gonna change the others mind.

I do respect rafa, stop trying to twist things.

I dont think his methodology can win the PL, end of.

[paulcooper4]

I do respect rafa, stop trying to twist things.

I dont think his methodology can win the PL, end of.

if you respected him you wouldnt be screaming for mourinho to be manager of liverpool while we already have one

[Craig_H]

if you respected him you wouldnt be screaming for mourinho to be manager of liverpool while we already have one

I'm not screaming for anything, i'm expressing my opinion that i dont think Rafa's methods will win us the league and i do think Mourinho would.

[Sir Bob]

I do respect rafa, stop trying to twist things.

I dont think his methodology can win the PL, end of.

I don't think methodology has much to do with it to be honest. He messes with the team more than I like and is more cautious than I think he needs to be but thats not whats stopping us winning the league.

The truth is we don't have enough good players. When we rest players, as all the top clubs do, our replacements aren't as good as Man U's, Chelsea'a and Arsenal's. Also our 1st eleven aren't as good as theirs. Now you could argue, and I agree to a point, that if we rotated less and played more positively, then we'd be closer to the top 3 , but we wouldn't win the league.

Rafa won LA Liga twice and I believe given time and money he would do the same for us. Trouble is I doubt he will get either.

[Maxiedge]

I do respect rafa, stop trying to twist things.

I dont think his methodology can win the PL, end of.

His methodoolgy with better players would walk the league.

[Joe King]

I have just seen the goals. Is it me or were both Tyler and Gray celebrating the Luton goal and downplaying the goal we scored?

[vonk]

But that's simple not true. As I mentioned the other day, since the turn of the Millenium the title in England, Spain and Italy has always been won by either a) a manager who had been at the club for less than 3 seasons or b) by a manager who had won the title before with the same team. Include Germany and that number rises to 1. The fact is that this belief that managers need time to impose themselves on side of a certain level of quality is based pretty much solely on one man - Ferguson - and harks back to a different era of football.

Great post mate. Puts to bed this idea that we have to give every manager 6-8 years. The point that people miss with Ferguson was that although it took him a long time to finally win the title, there was some progress all the way with him. All I want is for us to challenge or at least stay in it until March. I firmly believe that good managers get the best out of what they have. So we can't compete with United and Chelsea for resources, but what's the excuse for the sorry, inconsistent performances we are seeing. Another blip? I think what's been the turning point for most is not the results but the ineptitude of of the performances. We get one or two good ones, followed by dross like today. If we were playing well and the players were showing determination then we can stomach drawing at Luton. But that's not the case. If Rafa can't get the best out of these players then questions are to be asked at the end of the season.

[JCase]

****e game, crap performance, Fair dues to Luton. But lads Cup football and all that, we'll skin them at Anfield ..

Chill out

Yes, but do we need / want any additional games We always make things difficult for ourselves.