Boro V Liverpool - Post match thoughts and rants

[Morph]

post match thread?

[Jan-Erik]

Carra is the holy one that you can't mention that he should be benched without being slaughtered.

The truth is that the other top teams have two ball playing central defenders, we don't and the attacks start from the back.

We hoof the ball and then our central midfield must first get it back and then we can start to build our attacks against an already organized defense. We have more or less no quick counter attacks.

john terry

Vidic

[Jesus]

Voronin, Crouch and Kuyt

There's arguments to be made for them individually as decent 3rd or 4th choice strikers in a big squad, but collectively they've got to be the worst set of strikers we've ever seen at our fine club, especially when you consider the truly great strikers we've had down the years.

When you think we've got rid of Baros, Cisse, Morientes, even Bellamy, who at least had a bit of pace, to bring these jokers in, there's just no defence for Rafa. With the amount of money he's had our attacking options should be a whole lot better.

[Shaggy]

Bellamy failed IMO but surely most clear-thinking Reds would rather a fit Craig Bellamy at this moment in time than Voronin or Kuyt.

Torres apart, it's a sad state of affairs up front.

[Morph]

to be fair i think including crouch is wrong, he's a fine striker when given a proper run, the other two can **** off at any time as far as i'm concerned and i'd have bellamy or cisse back before either of them

[spud_gun]

I'd be quite happy if both Voronin and Kyut never played for our club again.

Criticism of Crouch, at this stage, is a little hard to take. He may not have been prolific since he joined us but he's been worth his transfer fee. He;s chipped in with a good number of goals some of which have been vitally important.

It's fairly obvious that we need a quality striker to partner Torres or a Rooney / Tevez type player to compliment Torres

[Jesus]

As I said, you could probably make good arguments for all of them individually being in the squad, but not ****ing all three.

[spud_gun]

As I said, you could probably make good arguments for all of them individually being in the squad, but not ****ing all three.

Sorry mate but Kyut and Voronin should be no where near Liverpool FC. Not even as reserve players.

At least Cisse / Baros et al knew their job was to score goals,

[Shaggy]

Part of me feels sorry for Voronin. And Kuyt.

They both look totally out of their depth and, consequently, completely drained of all confidence. They can't be as bad as they're both currently showing, but they must be shown the door in the summer.

And given Crouch looks a stonewall goner, we ought to be seeing all three shipped out soon.

Such upheaval is unlikely, but it's hard to envisage long-term futures for any of 'em.

[andyinswinton]

I know it won't happen but I'd rather see Benitez given money to buy a striker now than wait to the summer.

Voronin would never have been signed if the Americans had shown up earlier but certainly shouldn't have been given this much playing time as he has had. Kuyt is a Benitez type of player but a striker needs to score goals and Kuyt doesn't.

I really don't know what Crouch has done but he does look a gonner.

I want to see somebody in now. Forget about players being cup tied for Europe. Target number one should now be fourth place. I think we could struggle if we lost Torres.

[alunevans]

i like crouch. he's a decent player in my view. if babel is not partnering torres, then crouch should be

[Gazzla]

I agree that Voronin is a shambolic footballer and should be nowhere near our club, Babel upfront is a no brainer for me and would terrorise defenses.

[FatTony]

OK, you don't want to hear my opinion so I'll just answer your question with a straight

"Yes".

Nice thread

Don't be such a cock.

All you've added to this is

"Look at the way we played against Besiktas and Derby. We can play good football, we just suffering from a lack of confidence and consistency"


"What I mean is we are capable of playing good football but we're not consistent enough and we're not aggressive enough. We sit back too much"

Its hardly added nothing to the point I raised, i.e. have we improved in the quality of our football?

Houllier had a fair few games where we looked good, so did Evans. The odd game here and there happens at a club like Liverpool. Inconsistency....no ****!!!!! That again was the same under Houllier.

Don't be getting your knickers in a twist with those two lame arguments and come back with sarcasm, thats just pathetic.

Great argument....

[FatTony]

what i find truly baffling is that we seem to have gone backwards since the signing of torres, which I can't fathom.

The worrying thing is we're going back to the days of relying on owen to score our goals under houllier, and that to me is either a change in tactics or lazy ****ing players who are happy to leave the goalscoring to Torres and Gerrard

Exactly, same problems, different manager as far as I can see. We aren't playing as a unit, we rarely move forward as one and we seem to rely heavily on Torres or Gerrard as our only goal scoring threat.

Gerrard seems to have taken a back seat as well since Torres came into the team. He's rarely taking the game by the scruff of the neck as he used to.

Rafa's Valencia almost strangled the opposition to death. They could keep the ball for as long as they wanted, pressured the opposition and were just highly efficient. They destroyed the opposition over 90 minutes.

All I see with Rafa's Liverpool is limited creativity, a group of players moving forward with no conviction or plan, inconsistency, a lack of self belief, and under achievement. Has there been a significant improvement in these elements since Houllier? Personally I don't see it.