Baros and Ciise vs. Kuyt and Voronin

[chrispy]

I chose Cisse & Baros also but sadly, Rafa would play Kuyt if he was in traction I don't give 2 ****s about how much he runs and how great a workrate he has, Cisse was twice as dangerous as him (even with the broken legs)

[Mattshark]

I chose Cisse & Baros also but sadly, Rafa would play Kuyt if he was in traction I don't give 2 ****s about how much he runs and how great a workrate he has, Cisse was twice as dangerous as him (even with the broken legs)

So why has Kuyt scored more in one league season for us than either of those two then? The only thing Cisse was a danger to was the linesmans arm muscles.

[ningnangnong]

Cisse and Baros by a mile.

They actually score goals.

[Mattshark]

Cisse and Baros by a mile.

They actually score goals.

See above.

[bigfooty]

So why has Kuyt scored more in one league season for us than either of those two then? The only thing Cisse was a danger to was the linesmans arm muscles.

Kuyt benefitted from playing off Crouch. Big Pete set up quite a lot of Kuyt's goals. Not sure who Baros had to play off / with as I seem to remember him being stuck up there on his own a lot.

As for Cisse, was he ever treated as a first choice by Rafa in the way Kuyt was last season? I seem to always recall he was fighting to try and get a regular starting spot in the team, particularly in his final season when we had Crouch, Nando and God competing.

Don't get me wrong, Cisse in particular was hugely frustrating with his petulant nature when things didn't go his way - Kuyt's attitude is far superior.

[StevieG08]

It was just for fun mate.

I don't think anyone is saying we should re-sign them,just that they appear to be better then what we have.

So we haven't improved in that department,Torres aside that is.

Yes sorry for the rant, i'm finding it hard to have any amusement from football at the moment. I guess you could say at least Cisse and Baros found the net from time to time so i would pick those two over the current pair of misfits

[Slim]

Baros & Cisse for me, although the fact we are even having this debate shows the problems we have had up front finding more than one decent striker over the last few seasons.

[redlancer]

had a look on wikipedia
"Kuyt is the third of four children"
probably sums up this quartet nicley.

sure i'm right in thinking Kuyt has a better goals per game than Baros.

as for Cisse short memories here the bloke was a waste of space on the pitch you'd never win the PL with a striker like him. And we did see the best of him.

Baros always like him caused defenses a problem. WOuld swap him for Voronin any day of the week

As for Kuyt have we seen the best of him? Great pass the other night then a dreadfull shot.

Kuyt and Voronin are effectivly 2nd and 4th whereas Cisse and Baros were 1st and 2nd choice so unfair in all respects - is Voronin better than say Mellor?

Voted for Kuyt and Voronin as with Cisse and Baros we failed to win no19 Kuyt may come good and so they have yet to fail here, plus i would hate to see Cisse playing for us again

[Frank Leroux]

Baros and ciise or Kuyt and Voronin

Do you really need to ask? Only stevie wonder's brothers could go for kuyt and voronin

Frank Wonder here...

Can't really divorce this from the Manager. Benitez would never, ever, ever, have either Baros or Cisse in the team.

Having said that, if it was another manager, I think we'd possibly get more out of Kuyt and Voronin - for instance, I'd leave Kuyt in/around the box, not have him doing his laps every game. I think he's a better finisher than the other three. Don't think either Baros nor Cisse have enough football intelligence.

And I used to be a Baros fan...

[JonesLegend02]

If you could transplant Kuyt's brain in Cisse's skull you'd have a cracking player. Voronin just needs a head transplant...even Cisse's hair was less embarrassing.

[Neil Young]

Dementia

On the contrary, nearly everyone here seems to be suffering from amnesia.

At least Kuyt and Voronin can play football; the other two were kick and run merchants - quick enough if you want to play dull, long-ball counter-attack but not good enough to play decent football.

[CAD]

I just don't know...

[Abdul Alhazred]

(narrowly) Baros & Cisse

But if the question is trying to make point about how little we've improved, isn't it based on a false analogy? I know things are grim, but remember that Baros & Cisse (before his injury) were 1st and 2nd choice players, not 2 & 3.

Compare these two lineups: shouldn't the question compare Torres & Crouch vs. Baros & Cisse (or Baros & Morientes for that matter)

Or Kuyt & Voronin vs Pongolle & Mellor?

2004/05

Baros
Cisse
Morientes
Pongolle
Mellor

vs

2007/08

Torres
Crouch
Kuyt
Voronin
Babel

(Note that I'm ignoring Rafa's baffling preference for Kuyt over Crouch)

I take the point in that from those players I'd take

Torres
Crouch
Baros
Cisse
Babel

Although to be honest choosing between Cisse & Voronin is a difficult one: at least Voronin has a brain and some creativity.

Who'd have thunk it watching that video of Cisse's goals before he signed?

[JohnDoe]

If you could transplant Kuyt's brain in Cisse's skull you'd have a cracking player. Voronin just needs a head transplant...even Cisse's hair was less embarrassing.

Voronin needs a "football player" transplant.

[IrishCop]

Voronin should never have left his death metal band the waste of grass on a football pitch and Kuyt has turned from Dutch superstar to **** hawk in 2 simple steps!