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    #31
    I chose Cisse & Baros also but sadly, Rafa would play Kuyt if he was in traction I don't give 2 ****s about how much he runs and how great a workrate he has, Cisse was twice as dangerous as him (even with the broken legs)

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      #32
      Originally posted by chrispy View Post
      I chose Cisse & Baros also but sadly, Rafa would play Kuyt if he was in traction I don't give 2 ****s about how much he runs and how great a workrate he has, Cisse was twice as dangerous as him (even with the broken legs)
      So why has Kuyt scored more in one league season for us than either of those two then? The only thing Cisse was a danger to was the linesmans arm muscles.
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        #33
        Cisse and Baros by a mile.

        They actually score goals.
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        All the mice go Clang!
        And you just can't catch 'em when they do!
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          #34
          Originally posted by ningnangnong View Post
          Cisse and Baros by a mile.

          They actually score goals.
          See above.
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            #35
            Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
            So why has Kuyt scored more in one league season for us than either of those two then? The only thing Cisse was a danger to was the linesmans arm muscles.
            Kuyt benefitted from playing off Crouch. Big Pete set up quite a lot of Kuyt's goals. Not sure who Baros had to play off / with as I seem to remember him being stuck up there on his own a lot.

            As for Cisse, was he ever treated as a first choice by Rafa in the way Kuyt was last season? I seem to always recall he was fighting to try and get a regular starting spot in the team, particularly in his final season when we had Crouch, Nando and God competing.

            Don't get me wrong, Cisse in particular was hugely frustrating with his petulant nature when things didn't go his way - Kuyt's attitude is far superior.

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              #36
              Originally posted by R.P.McMurphy View Post
              It was just for fun mate.

              I don't think anyone is saying we should re-sign them,just that they appear to be better then what we have.

              So we haven't improved in that department,Torres aside that is.
              Yes sorry for the rant, i'm finding it hard to have any amusement from football at the moment. I guess you could say at least Cisse and Baros found the net from time to time so i would pick those two over the current pair of misfits

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                #37
                Baros & Cisse for me, although the fact we are even having this debate shows the problems we have had up front finding more than one decent striker over the last few seasons.

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                  #38
                  had a look on wikipedia
                  "Kuyt is the third of four children"
                  probably sums up this quartet nicley.

                  sure i'm right in thinking Kuyt has a better goals per game than Baros.

                  as for Cisse short memories here the bloke was a waste of space on the pitch you'd never win the PL with a striker like him. And we did see the best of him.

                  Baros always like him caused defenses a problem. WOuld swap him for Voronin any day of the week

                  As for Kuyt have we seen the best of him? Great pass the other night then a dreadfull shot.

                  Kuyt and Voronin are effectivly 2nd and 4th whereas Cisse and Baros were 1st and 2nd choice so unfair in all respects - is Voronin better than say Mellor?

                  Voted for Kuyt and Voronin as with Cisse and Baros we failed to win no19 Kuyt may come good and so they have yet to fail here, plus i would hate to see Cisse playing for us again
                  Its times like these we learn to live again FF

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Nic83 View Post
                    Baros and ciise or Kuyt and Voronin

                    Do you really need to ask? Only stevie wonder's brothers could go for kuyt and voronin
                    Frank Wonder here...

                    Can't really divorce this from the Manager. Benitez would never, ever, ever, have either Baros or Cisse in the team.

                    Having said that, if it was another manager, I think we'd possibly get more out of Kuyt and Voronin - for instance, I'd leave Kuyt in/around the box, not have him doing his laps every game. I think he's a better finisher than the other three. Don't think either Baros nor Cisse have enough football intelligence.

                    And I used to be a Baros fan...
                    Francis.

                    ...."Any team that concedes as few goals as we concede is going to be tough to play against..." - Fernando Torres on Liverpool

                    And when I say 'play Gerrard on the left', I mean on the left

                    A defensive mid for £18m?

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                      #40
                      If you could transplant Kuyt's brain in Cisse's skull you'd have a cracking player. Voronin just needs a head transplant...even Cisse's hair was less embarrassing.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by nobbylad View Post
                        Dementia
                        On the contrary, nearly everyone here seems to be suffering from amnesia.

                        At least Kuyt and Voronin can play football; the other two were kick and run merchants - quick enough if you want to play dull, long-ball counter-attack but not good enough to play decent football.
                        .
                        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                        May the Lord bless this post.

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                          #42
                          I just don't know...


                          We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.

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                            #43
                            (narrowly) Baros & Cisse

                            But if the question is trying to make point about how little we've improved, isn't it based on a false analogy? I know things are grim, but remember that Baros & Cisse (before his injury) were 1st and 2nd choice players, not 2 & 3.

                            Compare these two lineups: shouldn't the question compare Torres & Crouch vs. Baros & Cisse (or Baros & Morientes for that matter)

                            Or Kuyt & Voronin vs Pongolle & Mellor?

                            2004/05

                            Baros
                            Cisse
                            Morientes
                            Pongolle
                            Mellor

                            vs

                            2007/08

                            Torres
                            Crouch
                            Kuyt
                            Voronin
                            Babel

                            (Note that I'm ignoring Rafa's baffling preference for Kuyt over Crouch)

                            I take the point in that from those players I'd take

                            Torres
                            Crouch
                            Baros
                            Cisse
                            Babel

                            Although to be honest choosing between Cisse & Voronin is a difficult one: at least Voronin has a brain and some creativity.

                            Who'd have thunk it watching that video of Cisse's goals before he signed?
                            Last edited by Abdul Alhazred; 24-01-08, 09:33 PM.
                            Remember, we're only adding to the nonsense.

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                              #44
                              If you could transplant Kuyt's brain in Cisse's skull you'd have a cracking player. Voronin just needs a head transplant...even Cisse's hair was less embarrassing.
                              Voronin needs a "football player" transplant.

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                                #45
                                Voronin should never have left his death metal band the waste of grass on a football pitch and Kuyt has turned from Dutch superstar to **** hawk in 2 simple steps!

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