Reds owners mislead fans over transfer funding

[Johnny]

Johnny ?

Your not funny,stop trying.:whatever:

[AFII]

I know this in never going to happen but why isn't Parry out fixing his dodgy tie doing interviews explaining everything. At the moment there is so much speculation even if we fear the truth at least it's better to hear it, accept it and move on.
The very least he can do is front up to explain to us when exactly we're going to get shafted and for how long

I don't think it's allowed to answer anything if DIC really are in discussions with G&H.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Yanks are ****, Arabs are ****. People trying to do something about it are deluded (or secretly loving it) blah, blah, blah.

It's very easy to say everything's ****, posters are daft and deluded. Much more difficult and courages to actually give a **** and do something about it.

You're just a grizzly old misanthrope.

Wrong about the old part.

Here's the thing about the banners on Monday, those with just "Yanks out". Fine, if that's what you think's best for your club, do it, great. You see people have evidence - of sorts - to make their minds up about the Americans, but those who want the Arabs and have publicly said so are doing so on the assumption that they'll be better than the Americans. I find that interesting.

Let's be honest, the club changed forever the day David Moores sold it. Just like Chelsea and the scum we're now running the gauntlet of foreign capitalist ownership.

So I wonder why most people are clamouring for DIC. They're businessmen like Gillett and Hicks. So why should they be any different? And more importantly will they?

Those are the two big questions that are being ignored IMO, and the honest truth is we can't answer them, and this more than anything else makes me nervous, our future is uncertain. Under Moores we knew the score, we knew what we were getting, high class business acumen, foresight and delivery? Nope. But he cared; the club to these people is just another part of their profit margin.

[Guest]

Wrong about the old part.

Here's the thing about the banners on Monday, those with just "Yanks out". Fine, if that's what you think's best for your club, do it, great. You see people have evidence - of sorts - to make their minds up about the Americans, but those who want the Arabs and have publicly said so are doing so on the assumption that they'll be better than the Americans. I find that interesting.

Let's be honest, the club changed forever the day David Moores sold it. Just like Chelsea and the scum we're now running the gauntlet of foreign capitalist ownership.

So I wonder why most people are clamouring for DIC. They're businessmen like Gillett and Hicks. So why should they be any different? And more importantly will they?

Those are the two big questions that are being ignored IMO, and the honest truth is we can't answer them, and this more than anything else makes me nervous, our future is uncertain. Under Moores we knew the score, we knew what we were getting, high class business acumen, foresight and delivery? Nope. But he cared; the club to these people is just another part of their profit margin.

Agreed, for once.

But the problem now is Hicks and Gillett are definite arseholes, we know nothing of DIC, and as a Private Equity firm, no doubt there'll be debts. But we must get rid of these 2 americans, it's difficult to imagine them here in the long term, never mind short term.

[Robster007]

All due respect, but we're not an Ice Hockey team (traditionally a cold climate sport) based in Texas.

When it comes to the finances we're all basically guessing.

Do we really need all these daft posts claiming this and that? Most people have already made their minds up about the owners.

I suspect it's because most people - secretively - are absolutely loving this, whinge whinge we're the victims siege mentality etc. Really, you're surprized that these guys bought LFC to make a profit? What a revelation.

I hope the Yanks and the Arabs (if they are actually interested) do one from our club, as far as I'm concerned they aren't welcome, and putting up banners saying DIC SOS is nothing short of pathetic.

Dear oh dear.

[AFII]

So I wonder why most people are clamouring for DIC. They're businessmen like Gillett and Hicks. So why should they be any different? And more importantly will they?

The difference as I see it is their business history.

When DIC invest in something then they invest big money into the whatever thing they invested in and change it to a top class brand. That is their business style.

I don't think they would do anything different with us. They can also afford to give our manager big money to spend until the stadium is finished because they will get that money back later without any problem at all thanks to excellent sponsorship deals and other top class business deals.

In short, they can afford to wait longer time until the club will pay for itself. They won't care if takes 10-15 years, they can afford to wait that long.

[Guest]

DIC has lots more resources than the two dicks, that's the main difference. And yes, they have a fan in charge.

[Tom]

Wrong about the old part.

Here's the thing about the banners on Monday, those with just "Yanks out". Fine, if that's what you think's best for your club, do it, great. You see people have evidence - of sorts - to make their minds up about the Americans, but those who want the Arabs and have publicly said so are doing so on the assumption that they'll be better than the Americans. I find that interesting.

Let's be honest, the club changed forever the day David Moores sold it. Just like Chelsea and the scum we're now running the gauntlet of foreign capitalist ownership.

So I wonder why most people are clamouring for DIC. They're businessmen like Gillett and Hicks. So why should they be any different? And more importantly will they?

Those are the two big questions that are being ignored IMO, and the honest truth is we can't answer them, and this more than anything else makes me nervous, our future is uncertain. Under Moores we knew the score, we knew what we were getting, high class business acumen, foresight and delivery? Nope. But he cared; the club to these people is just another part of their profit margin.

You seem to working under an asumption that people are easily-led, that in some kind of mob mentality, are overlooking the detail in a frenzy of excitement. Wrong. People are judging this on the balance of evidence, sure we don't know what DIC will do, but we're sure as hell know that we'll be in serious lumber with T+G in control.

As for the old bit. Jeez lad if you're like this now, god knows what you'll be like when you get on a bit.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

You seem to working under an asumption that people are easily-led, that in some kind of mob mentality, are overlooking the detail in a frenzy of excitement.

I think that is the case to be honest.

Understandably, the fallout between the owners and Rafa is of concern to everyone. I think everyone handled themselves poorly and it made the club look bad.

But other than that what have the yanks done that is so bad to warrant this outrage from some? And conversely those who knew what they were before they arrived knew this is the way the club would be run, as a business, for their profit.

I think some people live in a fantasy world where everything is easy and it should be done their way, and very quickly get impatient is it doesn't. For example I hear people moaning about the stadium not getting started when the Yanks claimed it would start. Fine, but surely the balanced viewpoint to take is rather they get it right than rush it and **** it up. Another is money for players, net spend, etc, etc. What do people expect? 2 or 3 Torres's every summer. Those who do and demand it are unrealistic glory hunters, pure and simple. And then there's the debate of the debt on the clubs books. The reality is that - should the Americans stay - it will go against Kop football limited, the club wouldn't be liable if their loan defaults, so are the Yanks really breaking their promise on this one?

These are the issues, but instead of thinking for themselves, we get a mass of rush judgements and "Yanks out", "Yanks **** off" etc. Do people realise that the apparent alternative is of the same ilk?

Again, I’ll reiterate that I wish they would do one. They aren't fans. Their motives are to milk the club for cash, but it's the same with DIC and to me that's not what football's about. Every year since the Sky "greed is good" rot set in it loses a little bit more of its soul, and I'd rather my club was owned by a fan who ran the club to win trophies as the last straw I can realistically clutch.

Of course maybe it'll be alright in the end, and we'll get a genuine local fan and businessman to run the club properly with the right ethos. I hope.

[Venton]

You seem to working under an asumption that people are easily-led, that in some kind of mob mentality, are overlooking the detail in a frenzy of excitement. Wrong. People are judging this on the balance of evidence, sure we don't know what DIC will do, but we're sure as hell know that we'll be in serious lumber with T+G in control.

There is a 110 page thread up there that pretty much disproves that theory to me.
I don't think there is any balance of evidence with all the misinformation that's been posted over this, people are going on their gut.
The original post of this thread is a good example of this - all conjecture with no hard facts. G&H might have spent a lot less, or a lot more, but you won't be able to tell from any of the "evidence" in that.

[Tatterdemalion]

The difference as I see it is their business history.

When DIC invest in something then they invest big money into the whatever thing they invested in and change it to a top class brand. That is their business style.

I don't think they would do anything different with us. They can also afford to give our manager big money to spend until the stadium is finished because they will get that money back later without any problem at all thanks to excellent sponsorship deals and other top class business deals.

In short, they can afford to wait longer time until the club will pay for itself. They won't care if takes 10-15 years, they can afford to wait that long.

A top class brand? What like travelodge? There's no evidence for the investment that you are talking about, and neither is there any evidence on that degree of patience. This is a private equity fund, they wouldn't do it much differently to G&H. Why otherwise were they hawking us around the city for co-investors offering great returns and exit after 7 years?

Yes they can afford all these things you mention, but why would they? And please don't mention Godolphin. That is the Sheikhs plaything. DIC is an investment firm. Yes Ansari is a fan, but it isn't his money to **** around with.