Stadium planning application refusal ?

[Alpha]

Maybe the council could find a few pedantic, insignificant reasons to refuse planning permission on the grounds that our owners are utter cunts?

[el matador]

If you apply to get planning to the council that you can afford to build it.

In fact, you don't even have to own land to apply for planning permission.

But we cant afford to build it - we've only just managed to scrape together a loan to cover the initial borrowing. Who's going to give us another £250m to spend on the stadium ?

This is not a standard planning application. We're talking about stanley park and a massive 18 month - 2 year build time which is costing approximately £300m.

There was a case in west yorkshire where a private company purchased part of the city centre and then proceeed to dig the biggest hole you'll ever see only to put down the spades when the money ran out. Its been one big hole (please no jokes about bradford) ever since and we are talking about a delay of at least 2 years - probably more.

[AFII]

I doubt that the council will agree to a new planning permission without being 100% sure that G&H will get the next loan.

[el matador]

I doubt that the council will agree to a new planning permission without being 100% sure that G&H will get the next loan.

I think so too - so back to the original question - can the planning department of Liverpool Council refuse planning permission for the new stadium on the grounds of finance ?

[el matador]

Maybe the council could find a few pedantic, insignificant reasons to refuse planning permission on the grounds that our owners are utter cunts?

they might word it differently...

[AFII]

I think so too - so back to the original question - can the planning department of Liverpool Council refuse planning permission for the new stadium on the grounds of finance ?

I don't know but probably yes. They can't take any chances.

[PaulLinehan]

the planning permission has nothing whatsoever to do with finance.....

does that mean so WHEN (not if) the cost of the construction of the stadium runs over-budget, that the planning will be revoked - bollocks!!!!

It has been reported that the stadium will be almost the same on the outside and the height etc will be the same but the angles of the stands will be ever so slightly different thus allowing more seats (but possibly damaging the atmosphere in my view!)

The reason why the planning permission will be reviewed is because of the capacity of the stadium is increased. Most likely there will be a feasibility reivew by the council to assess the surrounding area (and probably most importantly, transport links) to see if changing the capacity from early-60's to 71,000 impacts the existing permission.....

most likely scenario is that they will come back and ask for an extra road or something to make it look like they reviewed everything properly and also acted in the interests of the local community,......

[bazza76]

If you apply to get planning to the council that you can afford to build it.

In fact, you don't even have to own land to apply for planning permission.

But you need permission from the land owner

[Revo]

I don't know but probably yes. They can't take any chances.

pure ****e

[bazza76]

I don't know but probably yes. They can't take any chances.

No they can't, I have never read them, but I am sure they are not in the Anfield /Liverpool development or Local Area plans etc plans.

[Alpha]

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pure ****e

Nice oxymoron.

[Matt]

I doubt that the council will agree to a new planning permission without being 100% sure that G&H will get the next loan.

Well I dont think Liverpool council will ever win any awards for speed of decision making.

As for not allowing permission until the money is in place then can I just ask, if thats the way things go then how come in town, before the Met Quarter got built, there was nothing but a building site and a load of steel girders in the ground for about 10 years?

[calvoboy]

Planning issues can only be decided on planning grounds. So, no. The financial situation, or personality of the applicant has nothing to do with the application for planning consent.

They will be able to secure a variation to the existing planning consent fairly easily to allow them to begin building the 61k seater stadium (as the new design is not significantly different from the old design). To extend to 71k will require a whole new application though, and this will include consideration of the impact on local transport infrastructure etc. of the increased capacity.

[calvoboy]

But we cant afford to build it - we've only just managed to scrape together a loan to cover the initial borrowing. Who's going to give us another £250m to spend on the stadium ?
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Anyone who is convinced that the increased income as a result of the new stadium will be sufficient to cover the interest repayments over the course of the loan. The existing loan will have been approved on the basis of our existing income. The additional income from the new stadium will more than likely be enough to cover the costs of the new loan to finance the construction.

[calvoboy]

Just to add, that I'm far from happy about our club becoming probably the biggest debtors in the Premiership. If not in absolute terms, then certainly in terms of the ratio of debt to turnover. But, if the existing loan was approved by RBS on the basis of existing turnover, then it is more than likely that they would be able to secure a further loan to build the stadium. Similarly, there's no way that the planning decision will be made on the basis that they are screwing the club and the fans don't want it. Even if every councillor could be pressurised into voting to block the application then it would be overturned on appeal.

The only way out of the situation is if someone comes in to buy Hicks and Gillett out, providing them with a big profit, and paying cash to clear the debts of the club.