I think he should go

[desertscouser]

Yes, yes, this time I mean it.

For the good of himself and the club.

He looks a beaten man to me. It's sad to see.

Tonight was one daft team selection and poor performance too many.

He's lost the players (IMO) and one of our owners wants him out.

Tonight was just another example which typified our season.

Typical daft team selection.

Typical crap performance by a bunch of ****houses who have quit.

The same players failing the manager again, and the same players looking at them with the contempt they deserve.

What a disaster.

I feel for Rafa but did you see Lucas tonight?

It was in essence a microcosm of where Rafa has manifestly failed.

You saw the difference he made, yet he was on the bench and a ****house consistent underperformer like Kewell got another 60 minutes to do so again.

Lucas showed drive, determination, he wanted to impress, yet when you keep giving underperforming players like Kuyt and Kewell games they have no incentive to perform. And it's the same for those like Babel and Crouch who do contribute when given the chance, but still can't get a start.

So how long before a hungry young player get's that drive to impress the manager knocked out of him?

Our problems on the pitch start and end with Rafa's rotation madness.

There's nothing wrong with rotating players, if they are out of form, injured or in need of a rest. The problem is he doesn't do it because of any of these rational things.

You don't see Rafa rotating Gerrard or Torres if they don't perform either.

I think there's a split in the squad now, can you honestly blame players like Crouch and Babel if they got pissed off? They see Kuyt, Pennant and Kewell starting and they must wonder what the **** they have to do to start.

Problem is no matter what they do, in the mind of Rafa it's irrelevant, reason and common sense isn't a factor anymore.

I see him binning the Reading game, yet going for the win tonight and I wonder where the consistency is?

I want him to stop doing these things.

But he won't.

So I want him to go. And more importantly he needs to.

This era has run its course. His way isn't going to work in this league.

He's done loads for us and we'll always love him for it, but the club comes first.

But he's no scapegoat, others need axing.

Starting with the owners, they need to do one. Not because they are American, or because they haven't used their own money to buy the club, or because of what they've said, but because they aren't LFC people.

I want the likes of Kewell, Pennant, Kuyt and Voronin to do one. I'm absolutely fed up of cunts like these strolling into our club with their mediocrity and taking a wage. It's been happening since Souness and by and large we seem to accept it. Enough is enough. GET. TO. ****. YOU. WORTHLESS. CUNTS.

**** the league completely, let's have a right good crack at the cups, even if we are successful it shouldn't and won't paper over what has been a disastrous season.

Clean them all out. Owners, Parry, Rafa, his staff, most of these ****house players.

Time to start again.

I agree.

For the first time I have to admit my patience with Rafa has finally ran out. Another joke disjointed embarrassing perfromance. I'm sick of watching ****e footie.

The owners, the manager, the primadona players have all contributed to one of the most depressing footie seasons I can remember.

All very depressing.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

thats a ****ing insult. they are chalk and cheese.

its a pointless argument anyway as he won't leave villa and why would he? we'll never know so the ones that didn't want him can gloat forever more. the rest will be thinking 'if only, if ****ing only'.

I meant in terms of style of football, in terms of personality they're completely different.

[desertscouser]

I was in the 'Rafa out at the end of the season... probably' camp up until the Wigan home game Nic.
I'm now feeling like I did in Houllier's final season.

I feel dirty saying it, but same here. Our footie is so reminiscent of the ****e we had to endure under GH.

[BobTheCharmer]

I meant in terms of style of football, in terms of personality they're completely different.

I used to look forward to watching celtic play at home against the likes of juventus and think 'why can't we play more like this'.

If he can do that with Larsson, Sutton, Thompson and Lennon imagine what he could do with Gerrard, Torres, Babel & errr Crouch.

He's old school in that he shows passion. He makes his players feel like giants before the game. Its what we're crying out for. I'd pay £15M tomorrow to grab him.

[desertscouser]

I meant in terms of style of football, in terms of personality they're completely different.

The football is the same negative ****e. If I was a neutral I would hate watching us. Crap.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If I was a neutral I would hate watching us.

I'm not and I do.

[kurtangle01]

O'Neill wouldn't be a bad bet but would he leave Villa? I'm not so sure he would.

Why would he? He's got the backing of a very good owner nad is taking Villa up.

On the flip-side he would come here and have to work for the two pricks currently running the club.

[BobTheCharmer]

The football is the same negative ****e. If I was a neutral I would hate watching us. Crap.

O'Neill negative? ****ing hell nurse pass me the tablets its gonna be a long night.

[Nic83]

I meant in terms of style of football, in terms of personality they're completely different.

What? they are polar opposites in style of football. O neill plays with 3 strikers boss! He wants his players to get forward as much and as quickly as possible. He focuses attack down the flanks. He is a fantastic manager.

Houllier was the anti football.

[desertscouser]

I feel dirty saying it, but same here. Our footie is so reminiscent of the ****e we had to endure under GH.

Just to clarify, I was comparing the football under Rafa with what we had to endure under GH, not O'Neill.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

I used to look forward to watching celtic play at home against the likes of juventus and think 'why can't we play more like this'.

If he can do that with Larsson, Sutton, Thompson and Lennon imagine what he could do with Gerrard, Torres, Babel & errr Crouch.

He's old school in that he shows passion. He makes his players feel like giants before the game. Its what we're crying out for. I'd pay £15M tomorrow to grab him.

One thing I'll grant you is that his teams "have a ****ing go".

But we need more than that.

Dare I say it, but the right man for the job is Mourinho.

Problem is he's a horrible sociopathic cunt. What he said about those Ambulance people means he should never be our manager. The skills yes, the class no.

[DannyMan2006]

Rafa: Stay or go?

I don't want to stir it, but it'd be nice to see the opinions of some of the posters on this site, some whose opinion I normally rate highly appeared to have boiled over and finally gave upthe ghost.

I have no doubt we will finish 4th, progress to the later stages of the FA cup, and also beat Inter, then who knows?

With the above happening I would expect a brighter outlook on the site.

If on the other hand we just decline, the doom mongers can point to this and say "told you so" so we all get a chance to stick our necks on the line and say what we all think is the best for LFC.

Sitting on the fence is an optional decision, but do think long and hard. No knee jerk reactions.

[desertscouser]

O'Neill negative? ****ing hell nurse pass me the tablets its gonna be a long night.

Pete, I was comparing Rafa's footie with GH's not O'Neill's. O'Neill is not negtive in my eyes.

[BobTheCharmer]

Just to clarify, I was comparing the football under Rafa with what we had to endure under GH, not O'Neill.

LOL. too late I've just swallowed a whole packet of sedatives........

[kurtangle01]

LOL. too late I've just swallowed a whole packet of sedatives........