Transition will take time - show some class.

[carlton]

I know we all feel like **** after the Hammers game but the reaction is now becoming ridiculous. Estabilshed posters moving all in with repeated toys out of the pram kneejerk reactions about letting Rafa go now

Look in your LFC heart and know that it's utter wank. He has to stay at least until the end of the season. Whom would you replace him with midseason? Please leave it alone. This turmoil is the last thing we need. Show a little class. The man is obviously defeated and we owe Rafa enough to refrain from kicking him when his in skidrow. Respect the man for the CL win and understand that the transition will take time. Even if we fired him now there is no magic formula that could turn this nightmare season around.

Just pray for a miracle. 4th spot in the PL and a good run in the CL.

If you really want to support LFC you will get a grip now and show patience and class.

Agreed. YNWA is about supporting your club in times of great adversity. These players havent lost their talent and skill, they have lost confidence. Once it is regained the results will come as we are better the most teams player for player.

[dww]

I know we all feel like **** after the Hammers game but the reaction is now becoming ridiculous. Estabilshed posters moving all in with repeated toys out of the pram kneejerk reactions about letting Rafa go now

Look in your LFC heart and know that it's utter wank. He has to stay at least until the end of the season. Whom would you replace him with midseason? Please leave it alone. This turmoil is the last thing we need. Show a little class. The man is obviously defeated and we owe Rafa enough to refrain from kicking him when his in skidrow. Respect the man for the CL win and understand that the transition will take time. Even if we fired him now there is no magic formula that could turn this nightmare season around.

Just pray for a miracle. 4th spot in the PL and a good run in the CL.

If you really want to support LFC you will get a grip now and show patience and class.

I agree with the general sentiment but what transition do you believe we are undergoing.

[desertscouser]

I know we all feel like **** after the Hammers game but the reaction is now becoming ridiculous. Estabilshed posters moving all in with repeated toys out of the pram kneejerk reactions about letting Rafa go now

Look in your LFC heart and know that it's utter wank. He has to stay at least until the end of the season. Whom would you replace him with midseason? Please leave it alone. This turmoil is the last thing we need. Show a little class. The man is obviously defeated and we owe Rafa enough to refrain from kicking him when his in skidrow. Respect the man for the CL win and understand that the transition will take time. Even if we fired him now there is no magic formula that could turn this nightmare season around.

Just pray for a miracle. 4th spot in the PL and a good run in the CL.

If you really want to support LFC you will get a grip now and show patience and class.

Just out of interest, how long before GH was sacked did you lose faith in his abilities to turn us around? I ask because there were plenty of people on the forums who would have given him even more time than he was given.

Just like to add that Rafa is a far superior manager than GH ever was and by no means do I think their managerial abilities are comparable.

[Kloppster]

I've waited 17 years mate

Exactly, and the scum waited for what - 26 years? and look whats happened since then!


I want no19, but I also want 20,21,22 in fairly quick succession, I want a new LFC dynasty for years to come, but to get that we will need stability and consistency from the top down and I would believe that a Mourninho/Hiddink type would have no interest in that length of time.

Rafa would wish to stay for a longer period, and hopefully he can turn things around, hopefully he can have the team that allows him to play the majority of the same players week in week out for the league and only look at rotation for cups and champions league.

So hang in there it may be a rough ride yet, but it will be worth it in the end,

[CAD]

I agree with the general sentiment but what transition do you believe we are undergoing.

Ownership transition. G&H has brought a transition phase with them. The turmoil has obviously taken its toll on Rafa and the squad.

[dww]

Ownership transition. G&H has brought a transition phase with them. The turmoil has obviously taken its toll on Rafa and the squad.

My problem is I don't see the problems as a phase at the minute. There seem to be genuine divisions in the setup and they need to be resolved - I don't think we have a clear idea of what the club is transitioning to and I worry that people at the club either don't know or disagree on the future direction.

[Resu]

We're always in transition , it's the buzz word for another year of League failure. IF the team were progressing in regards to points, performance, closeness to the leaders etc then waiting another year would be no problem.

Under Rafa we have never looked like going close, also if as has been stated he has lost the dressing room is there anyway back?

Agreed. If I could see the team getting closer, and there was an overall plan that just needed a few small changes before coming together I`d be more than happy. As it is now I don`t see us being any closer to than we were a year ago.
It could of course be that we`re just missing that key player before it all comes together, like cantona and the scum, but we`re at least three class players short.
Having sayed this I think sacking Rafa now would be stupid. The only reason to that would be if there was a class replacement ready and the players wanted Rafa out.
Whether I think Rafa should stay or go during the summer I havn`t decided on yet. If G&H leaves I would definetly give him at least another season. If our american friends stay I`m not so sure. There as been so much going on there I fear it`s taking to much out of Rafa.

[CAD]

Just out of interest, how long before GH was sacked did you lose faith in his abilities to turn us around? I ask because there were plenty of people on the forums who would have given him even more time than he was given.

Just like to add that Rafa is a far superior manager than GH ever was and by no means do I think their managerial abilities are comparable.

I went to westfallen in 2001 for the 5-4 game. It was something else. I think that he lost the grip when he had the heartattack in 2001 and that we slowly declined from that moment. He should have left in 2003. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

That said I never liked the football we played under GH. Way too defensive and the players he brought in speaks volumes about GH and his vision imho.

I consider Rafa a far superior manager as well.

[AFII]

Some similarities between Rafa and Houllier.

It started to go downhill when his assistant manager walked away.

Both of them only have a plan A and not a plan B.

Playing players out of position.

Bad man managers.

Playing out off form players before in form players.

Very defensive minded.

We are now playing in the same way as we did the last season with Houllier,
no passion, no organization and long lucky balls on Torres, he is now our Owen.

[CAD]

My problem is I don't see the problems as a phase at the minute. There seem to be genuine divisions in the setup and they need to be resolved - I don't think we have a clear idea of what the club is transitioning to and I worry that people at the club either don't know or disagree on the future direction.

I agree. It's very complex and as usual we don't have enough infomation to come up with anything other than idle speculation.

If Rafa has really lost the players it's a whole new ballgame. I could certainly understand why he would risk losing the players with his rotation and strange preferences of some players over others.

If Rafa were to quit right now Liverpool FC would turn into a circus. He HAS to stay until the summer at the very least. If he pulls out a good CL run and secure a 4th spot he might even get another year to get it right.

[lfc1394]

I think what is pushing most people over the edge is the fact that nothing is changing. If Rafa was screwing up and then addressing that screw up I think people would be more understanding. It doesn't take a genius to see what is wrong with the team at the moment, does he change anything?
To be honest Avram Grant has shown you don't have to be a top name manager to do well in this league, so in terms of replacement there are plenty out there that could better than 7th in the ****ing league by Feb!

[Morph]

Some similarities between Rafa and Houllier.

It started to go downhill when his assistant manager walked away - no concrete evdence of that with Rafa

Both of them only have a plan A and not a plan B. - disagree, plenty of times rafa has reverted to a plan B to win a game

Playing players out of position - who does rafa consistently play out of position? and lets leave babel out for the time being

Bad man managers. you know this how?

Playing out off form players before in form players- i'd go along with this

Very defensive minded - and this, but thats a managers choice and not nescessarily a bad thing

We are now playing in the same way as we did the last season with Houllier,
no passion, no organization and long lucky balls on Torres, he is now our Owen.

[Joe Le Toff]

Some similarities between Rafa and Houllier.

It started to go downhill when his assistant manager walked away.

Both of them only have a plan A and not a plan B.

Playing players out of position.

Bad man managers.

Playing out off form players before in form players.

Very defensive minded.

We are now playing in the same way as we did the last season with Houllier,
no passion, no organization and long lucky balls on Torres, he is now our Owen.

Mate you talk some nonsense sometimes but credit where its due, youre on the money there

[desertscouser]

I went to westfallen in 2001 for the 5-4 game. It was something else. I think that he lost the grip when he had the heartattack in 2001 and that we slowly declined from that moment. He should have left in 2003. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

That said I never liked the football we played under GH. Way too defensive and the players he brought in speaks volumes about GH and his vision imho.

I consider Rafa a far superior manager as well.

Same here. Dortmund was incredible. I went to all 3 cup finals that season...the FA Cup was unbelievable. I don't think I've ever gone more insane at a LFC goal than I did when Owen scored that winner against the Ar$e.

But following the heart attack it all went wrong. I lost faith in GH after one game...Leverkusen away. We were minutes away from the semis against United when Rafa takes off Didi. What a f*cking disaster. I never forgave him for that. The following season our footie was a shambles, same crap week in and week out, same delusional press conferences. All pretty embarrassing. I wanted GH out well over a year before he was sacked.

I must admit I disliked GH, whereas I love Rafa but I do see similarities between the two at the moment. Football is very poor. Both managers refused to learn from their mistakes. Players off form. And crap post match comments.

I really hope Rafa turns things around but I can't see it happening. I really can't

[carheex]

I know we all feel like **** after the Hammers game but the reaction is now becoming ridiculous. Estabilshed posters moving all in with repeated toys out of the pram kneejerk reactions about letting Rafa go now

Look in your LFC heart and know that it's utter wank. He has to stay at least until the end of the season. Whom would you replace him with midseason? Please leave it alone. This turmoil is the last thing we need. Show a little class. The man is obviously defeated and we owe Rafa enough to refrain from kicking him when his in skidrow. Respect the man for the CL win and understand that the transition will take time. Even if we fired him now there is no magic formula that could turn this nightmare season around.

Just pray for a miracle. 4th spot in the PL and a good run in the CL.

If you really want to support LFC you will get a grip now and show patience and class.

Exactly. Now that dennis wise has been snapped up there's no one decent available!