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    McMahon: Benitez selling Liverpool fans short
    tribalfootball.com - January 31, 2008

    Former Liverpool midfield ace Steve McMahon says Rafa Benitez must ditch his rotations if he's get their season back on the rails.
    McMahon said: "As a supporter and an ex-player I'm frustrated beyond belief. I know about all the off-field problems but it's gone on longer than that.

    "I went to the Birmingham game at Anfield in September and I was excited because I wanted to see Fernando Torres play. I've not been so disappointed in a long time when I found out he was on the bench. The crowd were so subdued. I'd never known Anfield so quiet. I want to see the best players play. You can understand it if Liverpool are winning all the time and he tinkers a little bit.


    "When you're in the mood and in form, you want to play every game. Liverpool players now accept and get used to the fact that even if they play well they are going to be left out the next game.

    "Torres is a goalscorer, a fantastic player. He wants to be the leading scorer in the Premier League. He wants to be the best at his job. I'd be mega-frustrated if I wasn't getting the opportunity every game."

    Liverpool trail league leaders Manchester United by 17 points and McMahon added: "Cristiano Ronaldo plays every game. You don't see Sir Alex Ferguson leaving him out or Wayne Rooney or Carlos Tevez when it comes to the big games.

    "You need to have partners - Rush and Dalglish, Keegan and Toshack, Ronnie Whelan and me, Jan Molby and me, Hansen and Lawrenson. You can go through all the teams and name the partnerships. You can't name them for Liverpool at this time. I don't know who Steven Gerrard is going to play with from one week to the next. I don't know who Torres is going to play with.

    "The combinations now are all different . There's never any consistency in the pattern of play. You can change it on the periphery, the wide players maybe. But the spine of the team should be the same. Rafa is a very good coach but I think he's more suited to the European game. I like him and have no doubts about his coaching credentials but I just think he's shortchanging people at times. If I was a paying spectator I'd want to see Gerrard and Torres playing every game.

    "They have problems now because you have to ask if Liverpool are going to make that fourth place. Financially, it's a must. It's February, they are seventh and they have a very tricky period coming up.

    "They can't make excuses. They're professionals and what happens off the pitch shouldn't affect them. They can still do well in the Champions League but they should be staying in title contention a lot longer."

    #2
    he talks sense

    it seems so obvious, surely rafa can see when rotation stops being effective and starts damaging the form of the team and the players

    and surely rafa can see that there are many more goals in peter crouch than dirk kuyt. kuyt is falling apart and needs time to regain his confidence and to just regroup, he looks like he has completely lost any ability he ever had

    i think rafa should be manager, but he's stubborn bordering on the houllier, and his persistence with inferior players while better ones are available is alarmingly similar

    we'll see how great a manager he really is, if he is self aware and humble enough to admit when he's wrong and to change for the better of the team. this is where i think we are missing the old paco and pako team. they provided a grounded human foil to rafa's over analytical, mad scientist approach to management. now that they're gone i think we're seeing rafa's weaknesses on full display, whereas before he was able to make up for them with the skills of his assistants.

    rafa seems very intelligent and capable of righting his mistakes. he has to be feeling the pressure of what is happening on the pitch and off, and i think it's effecting him as a manager- we've all been there, when you have so much on your mind you make mistakes.

    i think we're only a few pieces short of a really good team, i don't think it's as bad as some people think it is. we're just having a rough patch, we'll ride it out and finish 4th above the pretenders and mount a challenge next season. that last part is becoming the obligatory liverpool supporter mid season statement

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      #3
      Can’t even be arsed reading it.

      He probably makes some valid points, which isn’t hard given all of our very obvious problems at the moment, but Mc****ingMahon has, for some reason (probably xenophobia), had it in for Rafa from the outset. He’s probably loving all this just so he can say “I told you so”.

      I respect him for his playing days with us – I used to love him – but he pisses me right off as a pundit. He’s a classic case of “ooooooooh it was better in my day”. **** off.
      Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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        #4
        Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
        Can’t even be arsed reading it.

        He probably makes some valid points, which isn’t hard given all of our very obvious problems at the moment, but Mc****ingMahon has, for some reason (probably xenophobia), had it in for Rafa from the outset. He’s probably loving all this just so he can say “I told you so”.

        I respect him for his playing days with us – I used to love him – but he pisses me right off as a pundit. He’s a classic case of “ooooooooh it was better in my day”. **** off.
        I'm with Shaggy on this one, I stopped reading as soon as McMahon talked about the Birmingham game and Torres being rested :whatever:
        White liquid in a bottle = Milk

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          #5
          Agreed - I used to love him as a player too

          Now I just ignore whatever the ex-bitter has to say
          What do you mean it could've been anyone? Name me one person who's got a grudge against penguins

          Batman

          F*** off!!!

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            #6
            Originally posted by reds123 View Post
            Liverpool trail league leaders Manchester United by 17 points and McMahon added: "Cristiano Ronaldo plays every game. You don't see Sir Alex Ferguson leaving him out or Wayne Rooney or Carlos Tevez when it comes to the big games.
            What about Bolton away for the scum when he rested Ronaldo and they lost 1-0... he is talking through his fu**ing arse.

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              #7
              I agree with Shaggy that he does seem to have an agenda against Rafa, but i do agree that the best players have to play every game.

              Even against Havant, i would of played Gerrad and Torres.

              Bollox to rotation.
              Last edited by kop-al-74; 01-02-08, 10:49 AM.
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                #8
                Originally posted by YNWA_IRE View Post
                What about Bolton away for the scum when he rested Ronaldo and they lost 1-0... he is talking through his fu**ing arse.
                in january we were doomed.

                in august we will rise from the ashes of ****e and march on again

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Yozza View Post
                  Agreed - I used to love him as a player too

                  Now I just ignore whatever the ex-bitter has to say

                  Remember him on the Sky Match day panel, that's when he first started spouting his ****e.

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                    #10
                    "Cristiano Ronaldo plays every game. You don't see Sir Alex Ferguson leaving him out or Wayne Rooney or Carlos Tevez when it comes to the big games."

                    Fine. But you dont see Rafa leaving SG or Torres out for the big games either.

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                      #11
                      I'm fed up of seeing 6-8 changes from one game to the next and i don't need ex players telling me that! As a Liverpool fan i have more chance of naming the starting 11 of either the mancs or the arse than i do my own team which says it all really.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                        Can’t even be arsed reading it.

                        He probably makes some valid points, which isn’t hard given all of our very obvious problems at the moment, but Mc****ingMahon has, for some reason (probably xenophobia), had it in for Rafa from the outset. He’s probably loving all this just so he can say “I told you so”.

                        I respect him for his playing days with us – I used to love him – but he pisses me right off as a pundit. He’s a classic case of “ooooooooh it was better in my day”. **** off.


                        They should have him on that telly programme where comfortably off middle-aged men and women moan about modern life.

                        .
                        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                        May the Lord bless this post.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Neil Young View Post


                          They should have him on that telly programme where comfortably off middle-aged men and women moan about modern life.



                          I do hate those sorts though. Michael effing Parkinson is another. If football was so much ****ing better “in his day”, why does he bother watching it at all now?
                          Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                            #14
                            And all this from the man who "lost the dressing room" at Blackpool FC and got potted for moaning about the board. ****ing arsehole
                            "I just felt that the whole night, the conditions and taking everything into consideration and everything being equal, and everything is equal, we should have got something from the game - but we didn't." - JOHN BARNES

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by robbielad9 View Post
                              And all this from the man who "lost the dressing room" at Blackpool FC and got potted for moaning about the board. ****ing arsehole
                              Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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