DIC latest - the largely wild speculation thread

[Lecter]

Strange how he still has some supporters.

Paid employees more like

[Steve101]

Doubt it

I heard this fans representative on the board being proposed by DIC last week

Boggy, Glove and Reece will be able to vouch for the fact I mentioned that last week*


















* no doubt they'll deny this just to spite me

Reece PM'd me and said you were lying, you ******* Lect!!!!!

[Lecter]

And the best way to maximise profits? To be successful. That means winning.

And personally, i think the fan representitve **** was just that, a **** pr gimmick. Especially as DIC would probably have picked someone to be their yes man.

The only way to win in football is capital injection

Thats plainly obvious to anyone in the Premiership

Hicks hasnt injected ANY capital of his own into LFC, hes heaped debt on the club in the hope of us being successful enough to pay off the loan

If he continues in this way it will become a vicious circle, either the club will be plunged further into debt or the transfer budget will have to give UNLESS Hicks injects capital of his own

Which based on his previous businesses is highly unlikely

[fred_plasticine]

As do i, i also think that the speed in which Hicks came out to deny it was even proposed by Dic is telling. A famous man once wrote 'thou does protest too much'. ( maybe with different spelling though ).

Is it me, or has support for Hicks suddenly increased overnight. So many negative posts on DIC, & opinions on how Hicks MAY be good for us. What's changed. As i say it could be me just having missed these pro Hicks posters in the past.

i've had my reservations about dic ever since they first appeared as potential buyers. i've had them about g & h as well. in a way they're similiar, they both appear to be arrogant, loud mouthed, prepared to play the dirty tricks, always holding an ace up their sleeves and money driven. neither of them is the knight in shining armour some fans hoped they'd be.
crying out to boycott games and merchandise, i'm sick of all the talk, it's utter bollocks. too many people seem too obsessed with all the politics and protests and seemingly forget that we're here to support the club which after all is bigger than any chairman, manager or player. it's really gone out of hand, it really is a place gone mad.

[carlton]

The only way to win in football is capital injection

Thats plainly obvious to anyone in the Premiership

Hicks hasnt injected ANY capital of his own into LFC, hes heaped debt on the club in the hope of us being successful enough to pay off the loan

If he continues in this way it will become a vicious circle, either the club will be plunged further into debt or the transfer budget will have to give UNLESS Hicks injects capital of his own

Which based on his previous businesses is highly unlikely

And thats why his claims to have made a huge investment are contemptible. The club and its supporters are paying off the money he borrowed to buy the club and will continue to do so. Until the stadium is built and is functional we are going to struggle financially.

[Lecter]

I am not negative on DIC, I just think the Hicks Critiscism has gone way overboard......I am more pro hicks the more it seems it was gillett holding it all back.

Having been in a few **** business partnerships myself i know how easy it is to get tarred with the same brush.

So it was Gillett who was doing all the press releases was it

My motivation for wanting Hicks out is that hes a lying cheating tw@t

Feck all to do with loans, debt, signings etc...

Hes deliberately tried to mislead the support on a consistant basis to cover up his feck ups

IMO hes right up there with the Sh!t Rag and Kelvin McKenzie, he will NEVER be forgiven on Merseyside imo

He can do all the PR he wants but he and his PR firm should remember its almost 20 years and counting for the Scum newspaper and they still havent turned round opinion here

[Vermilion]

i've had my reservations about dic ever since they first appeared as potential buyers. i've had them about g & h as well. in a way they're similiar, they both appear to be arrogant, loud mouthed, prepared to play the dirty tricks, always holding an ace up their sleeves and money driven. neither of them is the knight in shining armour some fans hoped they'd be.
crying out to boycott games and merchandise, i'm sick of all the talk, it's utter bollocks. too many people seem too obsessed with all the politics and protests and seemingly forget that we're here to support the club which after all is bigger than any chairman, manager or player. it's really gone out of hand, it really is a place gone mad.

Surely supporting the club doesn't just mean the team on the pitch. The reason it's gone this far is the fear of the fans of what Hicks might do.

He's spent borrowed money, he does not have the funds to move us on, we are now as we were, being hawked around to find an investor.

Thats me for now i'm off out for a bit. Cheers for the debate all.

[Steve101]

Les Lawson, secretary of the Liverpool Supporters' Association, said: "As far as I'm concerned, there is no way Hicks and Gillett are going to win back the trust of the 5% (i.e RTK) of intimidating, xenophobic and generally myopic supporters."
Interesting and fair point there. Im hate these people coming out in public and telling anyone who'll listen that they represent me.........well i was naever asked by them, and cit pisses me off no end. As LFC fans weve done ourselcves no good at all over the years by arguing amonst orselves over so many issues,

[Scratch]

The only way to win in football is capital injection

Thats plainly obvious to anyone in the Premiership

Hicks hasnt injected ANY capital of his own into LFC, hes heaped debt on the club in the hope of us being successful enough to pay off the loan

If he continues in this way it will become a vicious circle, either the club will be plunged further into debt or the transfer budget will have to give UNLESS Hicks injects capital of his own

Which based on his previous businesses is highly unlikely

Unless he's using Man U as a business model, cos i doubt very much that the Glaziers have injected much into the club themselves, and sadly it's not destroyed United in the way that we all hoped.

Yes, they have their big stadium, that helps to maximise income. But they also have a debt of around £800 million on the club. By the time our stadium is built (which i feel will generate more match day income than Old Trafford, due to the number of corporate boxes that appear to be built into the plans), and with our global fanbase and hopefully better marketing, we will be on a par with them, although hopefully with less debt around our shoulders.

[AFII]

Unless he's using Man U as a business model, cos i doubt very much that the Glaziers have injected much into the club themselves, and sadly it's not destroyed United in the way that we all hoped.

Yes, they have their big stadium, that helps to maximise income. But they also have a debt of around £800 million on the club. By the time our stadium is built (which i feel will generate more match day income than Old Trafford, due to the number of corporate boxes that appear to be built into the plans), and with our global fanbase and hopefully better marketing, we will be on a par with them, although hopefully with less debt around our shoulders.

We will be on more debts than them if you consider how much the club is worth and so on.

Man U don't need to pay off ?% against future revenue from the stadium. We will be in £600m+ in debt plus will have to pay off ?% of future revenue from the new stadium.

Man U only need to pay off their interest from the loan against the club and they will be ok, we will have to pay off our interest from the our first loan plus ?% from the revenue from the stadium.

A massive difference.

[Lecter]

Les Lawson, secretary of the Liverpool Supporters' Association, said: "As far as I'm concerned, there is no way Hicks and Gillett are going to win back the trust of the 5% (i.e RTK) of intimidating, xenophobic and generally myopic supporters."
Interesting and fair point there. Im hate these people coming out in public and telling anyone who'll listen that they represent me.........well i was naever asked by them, and cit pisses me off no end. As LFC fans weve done ourselcves no good at all over the years by arguing amonst orselves over so many issues,

One thing to note is traditionally the LFC Supporters Association tows the club line

This is probably the first time that Lawson has publicly come out and made his view clear (its certainly the first time I have seen it printed)

Hes been on numerous phone ins and despite criticising Hicks & Gillett hes nearly always errs on the side of caution presumably because the Supporters Association have excellent links to the club and they dont want them damaged because they have stepped out of line

One of the reasons RTK was formed and S.O.S were formed was supposed "inaction" from the Liverpool Suppoters Association

For Lawson to put his name to something calling for Hicks & Gillett to leave and that there is no way back is rather damning indeed

[m100900]

5% (i.e RTK) of intimidating, xenophobic and generally myopic supporters."


I think Hicks can move us forward.

I think it's cheap and rather telling that you can make such an ill-informed sweeping generalisation about fellow supporters.

Try looking at the Spirit Of Shankly campaign for example - not without it's faults, but well meant, passionate, fair-minded and as democratic as is possible in the circumstances - and very very well supported.

[Lecter]

Unless he's using Man U as a business model, cos i doubt very much that the Glaziers have injected much into the club themselves, and sadly it's not destroyed United in the way that we all hoped.

Yes, they have their big stadium, that helps to maximise income. But they also have a debt of around £800 million on the club. By the time our stadium is built (which i feel will generate more match day income than Old Trafford, due to the number of corporate boxes that appear to be built into the plans), and with our global fanbase and hopefully better marketing, we will be on a par with them, although hopefully with less debt around our shoulders.

Cant see it myself

Uniteds average ticket price is way above ours and they have a higher capacity than even our new stadium will be

Also the new stadium is 3 years from opening

Its going to take capital injection to even get to that day imo

[Rowan]

We will be on more debts than them if you consider how much the club is worth and so on.

Man U don't need to pay off ?% against future revenue from the stadium. We will be in £600m+ in debt plus will have to pay off ?% of future revenue from the new stadium.

Man U only need to pay off their interest from the loan against the club and they will be ok, we will have to pay off our interest from the our first loan plus ?% from the revenue from the stadium.

A massive difference.

I thought the future stadium revenue would be used to guarantee the debt (stadium debt not club debt)? Therefore the scums debt is in fact serviced by current and future stadium revenues (as well as merchandising and TV revenues etc).

[Sarb]

Looks like some have already fallen for the Hicks charm offensive on here