DIC latest - the largely wild speculation thread

[Steve101]

where's the charm offensive?

you're either "hicks is a lying cunt" and "dic will make us great again" or you're pro hicks and have fallen for his charm offensive.
there's nothing in between for you lot, is there?

Agree with that 100%. There are some great posters on this site, of every opinion, and of course some complete knobends, again, all opinions covered. By and large we have reasoned debate, but it does concern me that when someone tries to reason a point out theyre portrayed as suckers for the conman Hicks. Now its quite possible that Hicks is everything people negatively say about him, in fact its more than possible, BUT, it's been suggested that maybe he has learned the lessons he needed to learn and could be ok. Im not (as arch dick Rashid says) a hicks apologist, nor am I anti DIC. I Simply dont take a permanent stance because i dont have to, and yes, I understand the rehetoric about 'if we dont do something the sky will fall in', but Im not so really sure it will. I will not be bullied or pushed into accepting one point of view when i can see more.
Anyone ever read Don Quixote here???? Tilting at windmills and all that.

[Skillz]

Then this sorry mess will continue

No amount of PR by Hicks is going to turn round enough public opinion

As I said earlier if he believes PR will turn round public opinion he knows nothing about Liverpool, he should take advice from Kelvin MacKenzie and The Scum as to how difficult it is to change Liverpool peoples minds

Too true.

TBH the fact he want's to rule the roost on his own, yet cannot afford to do it on his own tells me he is egotistical chancer and will be found out soon enough.

[Darkon]

I am stilled amazed that some suggest that RTK, SoS, and now LSA don't speak on the behalf of most fans... Not all fans agree of course that the yanks should leave, but the poll that the daily post made showed that 90+ % of LFC supporters wanted them out.

Personally I don't care whether it is DIC or other investors take charge, but the two current owners have ruined far to much for us in 12 months for me to ever be able to trust them!!!

I am further amazed by the fact that some people are starting to believe Hicks PR-campaign. He is a lying *******, and has showed us some 2-3 times within the last week alone!!

[Lecter]

This isn't a we want DIC thing at all mate. Hicks has lied time after time. Now he's blaming Gillett for all that went wrong. However, the common denominator in being a **** owner lies with Hicks. He ****ed up Corinthians after making the same promises.

Whichever way anyone looks at it, DIC should have been the owners in the first place. Yes they spat their dummy, but who wouldn't when you're trying to close a £500m deal and the CEO, because he has been sweetened up, stops returning your calls. It's a joke.

Hicks says it was Gillett that went to Klinsmann now. When he thought it was ok to go approach Klinsmann to learn about European Soccer it was "We went to Klinsmann". So when the **** hits the fan it's "I had nothing to do with it..it was George".

Yesterday he refuted the fact that he didn't want a fan on the board. Did he refute the other claims in the story that he wanted DIC to buy in 49%, pay for the new stadium and transfers but have no say in the running of the club!? Answer is, no he didn't.

He denied he had ever spoken to DIC..then came on the BBC Radio 5 Live show and said he had spoken to them about selling a minority stake. Another lie.

My Tom, thanks very much for buying Torres and Babel. I mean, David Moores couldn't have borrowed £40m from the bank to buy some players either could he?!

Yeah he's making noises about building a stadium and making us great again. Bollocks. He spun them same stories in Brazil. Told them they were getting a new Stadium but after a year started sellign their players and they got **** all and he went.

The guy is a compulsive liar who is revelling in the fact he is hated so much. Fair pay to Spirit of Shankly and RTK for protesting against the fat cunt. He's still trying to sell us off anyway.

Yeah let's see him make us great again....**** OFF

I've got to the point with the Hicks regime that its immaterial who takes over

I just want that cnut out

I'll happily admit I'm pro-DIC as things stand today but thats primarily because they are the only realistic chance of ousting Hicks

[el matador]

tom hicks is still in dreamland

who on earth is going to put in £300m for the stadium, and fund all of the transfers only to be told they dont actually have any power in the board room at all.

Hicks can ask as many of his thick american pals as he likes, no-one is going to touch him because no one is as gullible as he thinks they are.

Maybe george w...

[Pacman]

I've got to the point with the Hicks regime that its immaterial who takes over

I just want that cnut out

I'll happily admit I'm pro-DIC as things stand today but thats primarily because they are the only realistic chance of ousting Hicks

[Sarb]

I want to make some things clear about my opinion of the yanks.

I have no problem with them getting loans for players.
I have no problem with them getting loans for the new stadium
I have no problem with them taking dividens from profits
the problem I have with the yanks is WE are paying for them to owe us which is ****ed up.

as for the first three points anyone expecting different investors to do business differently is living in a dream world.

You expect different investors to put in some of their own money. Everyone isn't a leveraged buy-out specialist.

If you have no problem with the first three points that is fair enough. Maybe you'll have a problem when those debts prove so crippling that the team makes no progress on the field. Banks aren't going to lend forever. Fact is the Fat Yank is not willing to put in any of his own cash. So when the Bank come knocking and we haven't got into the Champions Leage for instance...he'll be selling to the first buyer or we'll be owned by the Banks.

I guess then you'll have a problem with points 1-3

[Lecter]

I want to make some things clear about my opinion of the yanks.

I have no problem with them getting loans for players.
I have no problem with them getting loans for the new stadium
I have no problem with them taking dividens from profits
the problem I have with the yanks is WE are paying for them to owe us which is ****ed up.

as for the first three points anyone expecting different investors to do business differently is living in a dream world.

You know what I'd go so far as saying I wouldnt be as angry as I am today if Hicks & Gillett had said initially on takeover day that they were planning to put the debt on the club

I'd be concerned and slightly worried about whether we would have the financial wherewith all but I'm fecking furious that they lied to the fans, to Moores and the shareholders for the sole purpose of getting their grubby little hands on the club

IF I knew then what I do today no fecking way would my family have sold up our shares in LFC, I'm almost 100% certain that Hicks and Gillett would not have got the 75% they needed to gain full control

[Sarb]

So they lied. They are liars. Point proven

[fred_plasticine]

I want to make some things clear about my opinion of the yanks.

I have no problem with them getting loans for players.
I have no problem with them getting loans for the new stadium
I have no problem with them taking dividens from profits
the problem I have with the yanks is WE are paying for them to owe us which is ****ed up.

as for the first three points anyone expecting different investors to do business differently is living in a dream world.

i don't trust hicks but then again i don't trust dic.
we sold out because we craved success, because moore's couldn't even borrow the funds needed.

[spider-neil]

You expect different investors to put in some of their own money. Everyone isn't a leveraged buy-out specialist.

If you have no problem with the first three points that is fair enough. Maybe you'll have a problem when those debts prove so crippling that the team makes no progress on the field. Banks aren't going to lend forever. Fact is the Fat Yank is not willing to put in any of his own cash. So when the Bank come knocking and we haven't got into the Champions Leage for instance...he'll be selling to the first buyer or we'll be owned by the Banks.

I guess then you'll have a problem with points 1-3

the first three points amount to the same thing, US (the fans) footing the bill.
an investor will ALWAYS want a return on his money whether in the short term or the long term, forget about the russian he is a one off and chelsea is play thing.
the problem is the initial loan wasn't for players and the stadium (well part of it was) the first loans was so the yanks could own us.

[el matador]

You know what I'd go so far as saying I wouldnt be as angry as I am today if Hicks & Gillett had said initially on takeover day that they were planning to put the debt on the club

I'd be concerned and slightly worried about whether we would have the financial wherewith all but I'm fecking furious that they lied to the fans, to Moores and the shareholders for the sole purpose of getting their grubby little hands on the club

IF I knew then what I do today no fecking way would my family have sold up our shares in LFC, I'm almost 100% certain that Hicks and Gillett would not have got the 75% they needed to gain full control

Come on Lec, surely you would have had a feeling that that debt vehicle they created Kop football limited was in some shape or form secured against Liverpool FC.

Banks are not so stupid to lend money to people like Hicks with his questionable credit history without substantial security being personal or secured against the assed purchased. Their recent statement confirming that part of the debt was placed onto LFC books should not be a surprise to anyone.

[spider-neil]

You know what I'd go so far as saying I wouldnt be as angry as I am today if Hicks & Gillett had said initially on takeover day that they were planning to put the debt on the club

I'd be concerned and slightly worried about whether we would have the financial wherewith all but I'm fecking furious that they lied to the fans, to Moores and the shareholders for the sole purpose of getting their grubby little hands on the club

IF I knew then what I do today no fecking way would my family have sold up our shares in LFC, I'm almost 100% certain that Hicks and Gillett would not have got the 75% they needed to gain full control

THAT'S the problem I have with the yanks, they got in with lies.
if the dic and the yanks had been forthcoming with their plan to put the debt on the club I am 100% certain the dic would own us today. why? because moores would have sold to the investor with more assets therefore lower rate of interest. the lies is why I want them out. I expect the loans for the players and stadium not for the buyout itself.

[Lecter]

Come on Lec, surely you would have had a feeling that that debt vehicle they created Kop football limited was in some shape or form secured against Liverpool FC.

Banks are not so stupid to lend money to people like Hicks with his questionable credit history without substantial security being personal or secured against the assed purchased. Their recent statement confirming that part of the debt was placed onto LFC books should not be a surprise to anyone.

Read their official offer to shareholders

[Lecter]

THAT'S the problem I have with the yanks, they got in with lies.
if the dic and the yanks had been forthcoming with their plan to put the debt on the club I am 100% certain the dic would own us today. why? because moores would have sold to the investor with more assets therefore lower rate of interest. the lies is why I want them out. I expect the loans for the players and stadium not for the buyout itself.