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    BBC Radio Merseyside after the game...leave RAFA alone

    The sign of a true man of character is how he deals with with the downs of life. Some get plastered, some role their sleeves up and face their problems head on. This is called courage and fortitude and RAFA has got on with his business in a dignified manner whilst Waldorf and Statler are preparing for a nice fat pay check for totally raping and pillaging our club.
    I am sick of having to listen to negative, whining, whinging, ill educated "fans" and pundits constantly calling for RAFA's head and blaming him for our downfall this season. The truth of the matter is we had £100 million "worth" of talent on the pitch (and bench) yesterday playing a team which in all fairness was not much better than Havant!
    I was sitting next to a Barnsley fan who was taken aback at the level of kindness and courtesy that we had shown him both on and off the pitch. He was embarrassed and elated with the final scoreline and were it not for the hand of God the scoreline would have been 7:2. He also made a comment about how quiet the place was, this obviously gets to the players. The same quiet fans left Anfield and thousands who did not attend the game called BBC Radio Merseyside to complain rather than support the team. These so called supporters are just fair weather fans and for the good that they are doing LFC, they might as well support Neverton. In fact they resemble Neverton fans, for God sake show some self respect and decency after all we are Liverpool FC and institution based on heart, soul and integrity. However I guess if you don't have any respect for yourself you will not understand what I mean. Also if your idea of being a fan is to have a pop at a well respected and successful manager who is doing his best under very difficult circumstances then you are just an ill educated bully and Old Toilet is full of them.
    It took Fergie at Manure SEVEN years before he won anything, since then they have thrown nearly a billion pounds to buy success. RAFA has been with us a short time and has already won the biggest prize of all. Yes I know that we are desperately after number 19, it will come and we have to be patient and positive, we have to support our Manager who has been shafted big time by JR and co. Also you cannot blame RAFA for the very unusual defending by the fantastic Carragher. RAFA did not give a last minute penalty away at West Ham, nor was RAFA to blame when the referee turned down a blatant penalty yesterday when Carragher did another Kamikaze tackle on a Barnsley player in injury time.
    Having seen most of Liverpool's games this season, it is obvious that we are three quality players away from a serious tilt at the title. It is also obvious that some of our players need to move on. It's their lack of heart, passion or ability that has cost us points this season not RAFA. Without doubt the following must go: Itandje, Kuyt, Crouch, Riise, Voronin, Kewell, Aurelio. Sami will be a fringe player next season. It is a proven fact that the other members of the so called "big four" rotate just as much if not more than RAFA. The difference is that they have greater strength and more quality in depth. Our first 11 is as good as anyone's it's the depth and quality that is missing, period. We have to support our manager who is not perfect by a long way, but he is as good as any in Europe. He will add to the squad and fill in the gaps below with quality, however this team I believe will challenge for the title next season:

    *Reina
    *Finnan
    *
    *Agger
    *Carragher
    *Mascherano
    *Gerrard
    *Alonso
    *Torres
    *
    *

    Lucas, Babel, Skrtel, Arbeloa, Pennant and a number of our very promising youngsters such as Nemeth will play a key role next season.
    ****THIS IS THE IMPORTANT BIT**** UNLESS WE GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND ENSURE A TOP 4 FINISH, WE WILL NOT ATTRACT THE BEST PLAYERS TO FILL IN THE GAPS WHEN DIC ULTIMATELY RELEASE THE FUNDS, WE ALSO RUN THE RISK OF LOSING OUR BEST PLAYERS WHO WILL NOT SETTLE FOR THE UEFA CUP****

    #2
    for God sake show some self respect and decency after all we are Liverpool FC and institution based on heart, soul and integrity.
    Tell that to some of our players, when they start to give 100% week in week out then they will get the supporters behind them.

    We are more than three quality players from being a league winning team.

    -------------------Reina
    ????--------Agger--------Skrtel?-----????
    ----------Masch---------Lucas---------
    -----Gerrard------????---------????
    ------------------Torres----------------

    So four maybe five, if Skrtel is good enough or not.
    Just believe and you never know what will happen.

    According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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      #3
      Is a managers job not to hire the right people and to get the best out of his players?

      Its every ****ers fault other than Rafa's...

      Its a shared responsibility, but I'm getting fed up with Rafa's "we created many chances but couldn't finish, their keeper was the best player on the pitch" excuses when he keeps fielding the most ineffective striker we've ever had.
      Last edited by FatTony; 17-02-08, 01:13 PM.

      "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

      I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

      FatTony 24/08/09

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        #4
        Well said.
        Macmanaman got slagged off for his recent comments and I think he was making a similar point - get behind the manager and team. We’re all frustrated as will be Rafa and the players but the constant sniping gets to the players, affects their confidence and it becomes a vicious circle leading to more decline.
        Many believe that we have a god given right for success. I’m sure the vast majority are more realistic but as in many aspects of life the silent majority don’t get heard above the din from the minority.

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          #5
          Originally posted by JHP View Post
          Well said.
          Macmanaman got slagged off for his recent comments and I think he was making a similar point - get behind the manager and team. We’re all frustrated as will be Rafa and the players but the constant sniping gets to the players, affects their confidence and it becomes a vicious circle leading to more decline.
          Many believe that we have a god given right for success. I’m sure the vast majority are more realistic but as in many aspects of life the silent majority don’t get heard above the din from the minority.
          I don't think anyone thinks we have a right to success, but we expect to be challenging for titles and at this stage of the FA cup we should be beating a Championship team.

          Every loss its the same excuses because the same failures from everyone.

          "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

          I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

          FatTony 24/08/09

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            #6
            Originally posted by FatTony View Post
            I don't think anyone thinks we have a right to success, but we expect to be challenging for titles and at this stage of the FA cup we should be beating a Championship team.

            Every loss its the same excuses because the same failures from everyone.
            Sorry, you don't think you have a right, just expect. Why do you expect and why should we challenge any more than any other club?

            I'm as frustrated as you just I realise that the constant sniping will not get us out of this situation. I sing YNWA every match and I believe in what I'm singing.

            Changing the manager may make a difference but I believe Rafa is as good as any in Europe. Two other points on that:
            There is a very strong correlation between success and length on tenure of manager
            What top class manager would want to join a club like us in crisis.

            So I believe the probable outcome from changing the manager would be further decline. Staying with him and supporting him and the team has a greater chance of success.

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              #7
              Originally posted by AFII View Post
              Tell that to some of our players, when they start to give 100% week in week out then they will get the supporters behind them.
              So what your saying is when people are going through a tough time we shouldn't try and help or support them but when they have got throught their tough time we can support them again?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Walter View Post
                So what your saying is when people are going through a tough time we shouldn't try and help or support them but when they have got throught their tough time we can support them again?
                No, we should support them through the bad and good times but it's very difficult to support players that are looking like they simply don't care about the red shirt anymore and they are being paid big money to work their socks off in every game for the team.
                Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by JHP View Post
                  Well said.
                  Macmanaman got slagged off for his recent comments and I think he was making a similar point - get behind the manager and team. We’re all frustrated as will be Rafa and the players but the constant sniping gets to the players, affects their confidence and it becomes a vicious circle leading to more decline.
                  Many believe that we have a god given right for success. I’m sure the vast majority are more realistic but as in many aspects of life the silent majority don’t get heard above the din from the minority.
                  Absolutely, well said. Everything that could have gone wrong for RAFA has both on and off the pitch. He is very intelligent and knows what is needed. How the hell can he have a piece of mind and sleep at night with everything that has happend since JR and co took over? We need to get behind him everyone of us and cheer the team on and not just sit there and hope for the best. Or fans are best in the world, we're not showing that just lately at Anfield.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by AFII View Post
                    No, we should support them through the bad and good times but it's very difficult to support players that are looking like they simply don't care about the red shirt anymore and they are being paid big money to work their socks off in every game for the team.
                    But then you get into a vicious circle thats hard to break. We dont support so the players start to play **** under the pressure, so we boo and they go into their shells even more. It then becomes hard to break because confidence then drains and so they are struggling even more.

                    Players dont need fans to boo when they are playing ****e, because they know it themselves. They need a bit of support to get them through it. Ive never understood were people got the idea from that booing would help anything
                    “Hicks could have purchased Dallas’ MLS franchise but decided not to. ‘In hindsight, I probably made the wrong decision,’ he said.“.

                    "Does anything make me want to go home? My home is the Wirral." -Rafael Benítez Maudes

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                      #11
                      So if we want Benitez out that constitutes me being "il-educated" or "fairweather".

                      Is this really what our fanbase has turned to? Well then, I am both cause I want him gone at the end of the season.

                      it's funny how at the end of last season we were only one player away from a serious title jolt. Now it's ****ing 3.

                      Get a grip lad!- This team and it's manager are a joke!
                      Manchester. . . WANK WANK WANK

                      Five Times Baby * * * * *

                      "The match day experience between now and 25 years ago is worlds apart and deeply anaesthetised, with a large dollop of blatant "**** you" cynicism thrown at us for good measure."- Alunevans

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by JHP View Post
                        Sorry, you don't think you have a right, just expect. Why do you expect and why should we challenge any more than any other club?

                        I'm as frustrated as you just I realise that the constant sniping will not get us out of this situation. I sing YNWA every match and I believe in what I'm singing.

                        Changing the manager may make a difference but I believe Rafa is as good as any in Europe. Two other points on that:
                        There is a very strong correlation between success and length on tenure of manager
                        What top class manager would want to join a club like us in crisis.

                        So I believe the probable outcome from changing the manager would be further decline. Staying with him and supporting him and the team has a greater chance of success.
                        We expect to be challenging because we've spent more than any other club outside of the big 3.

                        Just where was this correlation between success and length on tenure when Jose, Arsene and Dalglish all won the Premiership? Where was it when Capello and to that matter Rafa, when they both won La Liga? Its a poor argument as it has no foundation other than Ferguson. Money is the most important aspect of the modern game, management comes second (a poorer manager can win the league with the right financial backing).

                        I said we expect to be challenging, not "have a devine right to win". There's a big difference between those two statements.
                        Last edited by FatTony; 17-02-08, 07:03 PM.

                        "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

                        I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

                        FatTony 24/08/09

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                          #13
                          Three quality players away from a serious tilt at the title.

                          Are you having a laugh? I've been hearing this excuse all season and it's rubbish.

                          Wigan, Havant, Reading, Besiktas, Barnsley, Luton. All these teams have had significant results against us and it's not because we don't have the quality to beat them.

                          A good manager can motivate players to beat lesser teams. A great manager can take what he has and make the team better than sum of the parts. This is patently not true of Benitez this season. Even if a manager has the best players in the world he still has to motivate them and set them up properly. Our players have been underperforming for months. Those who harp on about Fergusons first four years might also note that during the off-pitch upheaval at ManU, there was absolutely no effect on the players. Why is it affecting our players so much?? Why doesn't Rafa shield them from this or is he too busy thinking about why he can't go out looking for new players.

                          The facts on Rafa are on the pitch. He has enough quality to compete with these teams but the players are not playing for him. Players who are out of form are being played anyway. Players are being played out of position. He seems to have lost the ability to make the players believe, something I now think was all down to Pako anyway.

                          The final straw for me is that we play **** football. We are so predictable and have no idea how to break down teams who park the bus. Rafa is supposed to be a tactical genius yet at one point yesterday we were hoofing long balls against Barnsley!!! If anyone can tell me what the tactics were yesterday then I'd love to know.

                          If we went out and played good football in a game I would feel some hope for him, but it's dross and it's his tactics. One or two players can't fix the style, tactics and belief that are obviously lacking. That is down to one man.

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                            #14
                            We expect to be challenging because we've spent more than any other club outside of the big 3.
                            Newcastle and Tottenham have probably spent more than us in the last years.
                            Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                            According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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