DIC or Share Liverpool?

[Sarb]

DIC without a doubt, even though I put myself down for a share with share LFC

[Rafa Shankly]

DIC without a doubt, even though I put myself down for a share with share LFC

what worries me about that is lots of people put their name down to take shares
knowing full well that they wont take out shares when they have to hand over £5000.

id imagine that if you could weed out all the names that have no intention of buying shares and were left with the names of people who were actually serious about it.

the amount of money in the kitty would probably be pretty low.

[alunevans]

what makes you think it would run that smoothly though,what makes you think it wouldnt be a major disaster?

im not saying that what i think will happen,im just saying,just because wed all be fans doesnt mean its gonna work out ok.

G&H didnt set out to be such a disaster.

ultimately though, if something is not working WE can fix it. there is a possible solution.

what happens if DIC is a disaster, is hostile to the club and its fans, and has enough resources to never ever have to sell up so long as the club was turning them a profit? what will we do then?

if its in our own hands and the people in charge of the club are doing a crap job, we have the power to get rid of them.

democracy is better than dictatorship in my view. you get a benevolent dictator when you're lucky. but if you get a hostile one, either now or in the future, we're screwed.

also, we want an owner who has the club's best interest at heart. nobody meets that criteria better than the supporters.

[Sarb]

The majority of people who have declared an interest, I don't think will invest anyway. Share LFC needed a high profile, rich Liverpool fan on board who was going to put in a fair bit of cash I think to make it look more credible

[le2red]

ShareLiverpool would be great but can't see it happening and from what I have seen so far I've no faith in the business acumen of those involved (I would be very happy to be proved wrong on this).

Unfortunately football at our level is big business now and if we are going to achieve the success we all want, we are going to need the best business leaders running the club. We need people with the vision (and obviously the funds) to take us there.

[Dhav]

Long term who wouldn't want the club to be owned by its fans? But Share Liverpool will surely take years to get off the ground, which means in the shorter-medium term our best bet of getting rid of the two yankee muppets is DIC. So for now, yes I want DIC.

[alunevans]

It's true that DIC may turn out to be good owners. The benevolent dictator scenario is not implausible, but who knows what they'd do really?

When I say I support ShareLFC then obviously it assumes that the idea flies in terms of being able to raise the money etc.

I think we need to learn lessons from the last 12 months. If Hicks & Gillette had been using the Weetabix model but had been mega mega rich then we'd be stuck with them now.

There is a potential scenario which says that DIC don't turn out to be the saviours everyone thinks (hopes?) they'll be but simply milk us as a business, throw their truck in with the idea of international rounds and the like.

If that happens (and I've no idea what kind of owner they'd be), then we'd be stuck with them because unlike TomnGeorge, they won't have the stretched finances issue to force them to sell up.

If they turn out to be an owner that produces the same sort of feeling from us as the current lot, we'll be stuffed and will never be able to get rid of them.

That is the lesson we need to learn from this last 12 months in my view, and we need to be looking at what mechanisms will protect the club from that in the future. The safest, if the cash can be raised, is ShareLFC.

If that's not possible then we need to explore what other mechanisms are out there to protect the club from future owners who behave in ways similar to Tom and George.

[Rafa Shankly]

ultimately though, if something is not working WE can fix it. there is a possible solution.

what happens if DIC is a disaster, is hostile to the club and its fans, and has enough resources to never ever have to sell up so long as the club was turning them a profit? what will we do then?

if its in our own hands and the people in charge of the club are doing a crap job, we have the power to get rid of them.

democracy is better than dictatorship in my view. you get a benevolent dictator when you're lucky. but if you get a hostile one, either now or in the future, we're screwed.

also, we want an owner who has the club's best interest at heart. nobody meets that criteria better than the supporters.

im not arguing share liverpools merits or their ability to be a success,im just saying its alrite saying if the fans own the club this is the way things are gonna be,and this is what will happen if that other thing happens,if you know what i mean.

but in reality,i honestly dont think its a certainty things will actually work out like that,who knows what problems will pop up,and who knows if theyl be easily fixed.

we as fans may have the best intentions in the world but you just have to spend 5 minutes on any football forum to see how fans can be.

were not the brightest sparks.

[Tinkerbitch]

Long term who wouldn't want the club to be owned by its fans? But Share Liverpool will surely take years to get off the ground, which means in the shorter-medium term our best bet of getting rid of the two yankee muppets is DIC. So for now, yes I want DIC.

Exactly what Dhavlos said. I just hope if we get more benign owners soon we don't forget that we can always be sold on to iodiots like G&H and this casues the Share Liverpool option to fail. We need to be ready to take on the next but one owners

[Darth Marty]

My thoughts are that DIC would be good stewards of our magnificent club and are very astute and professional. Have a supporter near the top of their structure and have a reputation for being winners. I like the sound of that.

However I think ideally Share Liverpool would be the best possible solution as it would be the peoples club, run by the people.

Simply cant see it happening though. In an ideal world DIC would buy us, make us hugely succesful, sort the whole infastructure out to make us succesful for many years to come and then sell to make a profit to Share Liverpool, who it just so happens have been closely working with DIC for the past few years to enable a smooth transition.

Thats what id like to see happening.

[JHP]

I dont want some of the muppets off here being in control of LFC

Imagine it would be bedlam

[JHP]

Long term who wouldn't want the club to be owned by its fans?

Me.

True fans that go to the match and really support the club, manager and team yes but the likes of many on here who purport to be fans - no way.

[Dhav]

Me.

True fans that go to the match and really support the club, manager and team yes but the likes of many on here who purport to be fans - no way.

Understand that, certainly there's some on here I wouldn't want to have anything to do with owning/running the club.

But the fans wouldn't be running the club anyway. They'd appoint, hopefully, some very competent people to do that.

[The Glove]

ShareLiverpool would be great but can't see it happening and from what I have seen so far I've no faith in the business acumen of those involved (I would be very happy to be proved wrong on this).

Unfortunately football at our level is big business now and if we are going to achieve the success we all want, we are going to need the best business leaders running the club. We need people with the vision (and obviously the funds) to take us there.

I agree with this. In the prefect world, its ShareLFC all the way, but we dont live in such a world and Premier League/European football is a ruthless business and we need people who can operate in such circles.

[El Jefecito]

Can you imagine us owned by the posters on here DJS and CMS would have the manager fired every second week. SG would be sold to chelsea and we wouldn't sign El Jefecito because he is "too expensive".

No thanks!