kuyt

[Shaggy]

I don't think Torres is a leader and he knows it. He's a player.

Albeit a very, very good one.

If Torres wasn't a leader he would never have been Atletico captain, least of all when he was 19.

There are different types of leader. I would never make him captain of LFC but he is a leader in his own way - a winner.

[Nic83]

Like Beckham.

[red g]

I agree with shaggy. Listen, Kuyt when on form is decent. Kuyt when off form is abysmal.

I don't think anymore really needs to be said. He will never be a top footballer and if we are striving for the title, top players are what we need.

He's not a poor footballer, just not good enough for a starting spot in a team challenging for the premiership title and if we can get 6-7 mil for him to put toward someone who is, we should take it and have one of our youngsters as 4th choice striker.

A lot of people are blinkered towards Kuyt as they like him and the effort he puts in.

think we would only get 5 tbh. I am happy for him to be here as part of a championship winning squad and makes a good 3/4 striker with crouch.

By the time one of them gets pissed off half way through next season bring in nemeth if he is ready