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Originally posted by shanks69 View Post
Fair dues to him.
70 years of age and looking to swim the channel in order to both raise funds for and raise awareness of a horrible disease.
He was rightly judged harshly and condemned for giving that interview to the rag, but he should be also be judged fairly when doing something like this.I don't hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around.
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I agree that what he is proposing to do is wonderful. But...Originally posted by Jaco_Pastorious View PostFair dues to him.
70 years of age and looking to swim the channel in order to both raise funds for and raise awareness of a horrible disease.
He was rightly judged harshly and condemned for giving that interview to the rag, but he should be also be judged fairly when doing something like this.
1 What he did was awful and good and bad acts cannot always be weighed alongside each other. (To take an extreme, no one would ever attempt to suggest that Hitler deserved a decent hearing because he was kind to children. In the world of film and art there are ongoing debates about whether it is OK to appreciate the work of Pablo Picasso, Eric Gill, Roman Polanski etc despite the evilness of aspects of their private lives. The debate about the statues and good deeds of people who did good things but were also involved in one or other way in the slave trade is another example.)
2 For the avoidance of doubt, I do not regard what Souness did as on a par with the sorts of behaviours I have just mentioned. But it DOES mean to me he is not worth giving the time of day to. He is just a self-absorbed stupid guy.
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Originally posted by Paul12 View PostI agree that what he is proposing to do is wonderful. But...
1 What he did was awful and good and bad acts cannot always be weighed alongside each other. (To take an extreme, no one would ever attempt to suggest that Hitler deserved a decent hearing because he was kind to children. In the world of film and art there are ongoing debates about whether it is OK to appreciate the work of Pablo Picasso, Eric Gill, Roman Polanski etc despite the evilness of aspects of their private lives. The debate about the statues and good deeds of people who did good things but were also involved in one or other way in the slave trade is another example.)
2 For the avoidance of doubt, I do not regard what Souness did as on a par with the sorts of behaviours I have just mentioned. But it DOES mean to me he is not worth giving the time of day to. He is just a self-absorbed stupid guy.
He is also a man who quickly acknowledged what he did was wrong and that he knows why it was so wrong.
As I said he was condemned, rightly so, for the interview, and I am not saying it should be forgotten that he did the interview. I do think he genuinely regrets what he did, but the fact will always remain that he did it.
I'm just saying what he is doing with regards to the swim is a praise worthy act.
I do get the dislike of him though and would not try to argue against you or anyone else feeling that way. The dislike is an earned one for giving that interview.
Mention Brian Clough to me and I cannot see anything good he may have done in his career or life, he will always be the scumbag that said what he did in the hours, days and months after Hillborough, was happy to then put the same lies into his autobiography and then a long time later go with a mealy mouthed sorry.
I do wish for many reasons that Souness had not given the interview. The main one being the hurt it caused would not have been caused. But also because he tarnished his own legacy as quite possibly the greatest midfielder to have ever played for us.
I have never seen a midfielder play for us since him that comes close to being as good as him. Not Gerrard, Not McMahon, Not Alonso, not Thiago, not even Charlie Adams. Souness for me as a player could do everything that every one of them could do and then some.
And I know he was just after having heart surgery at the time, but he had to know that the interview was something that when brought up should have been shut down with one word, two if he wanted the second word to be off.
I cannot muster the same ill will about him that still comes to the surface straight away at the mention of Clough's name, but think what I felt towards Souness when he did the interview is more a sense of disappointment as he was meant to be, to a fan looking inwards, one of those that would defend the club, the fallen and their families and not be one to give time to the organisation that helped to vilify them.I don't hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around.
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness
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I heard him give an interview on radio merseyside ealier this morning,he said he has only recently learned to swim.Originally posted by Jaco_Pastorious View PostFair dues to him.
70 years of age and looking to swim the channel in order to both raise funds for and raise awareness of a horrible disease.
He was rightly judged harshly and condemned for giving that interview to the rag, but he should be also be judged fairly when doing something like this.
who's arsed?
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Originally posted by shanks69 View PostI heard him give an interview on radio merseyside ealier this morning,he said he has only recently learned to swim.
Maybe he heard Canal when someone said Channel
I don't hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around.
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness
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lost in translation
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