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    Rotate to accumulate: How the argument has turned full circle

    Rotate to accumulate: How the argument has turned full circle

    Daniel Finkelstein, The Times

    It's a constantly fascinating thing this Fink Tank business. The gift that keeps on giving. I am learning all the time. What have I learnt this week? Something about rotating players.

    A few years back, Claudio Ranieri, then Chelsea head coach, acquired the nickname “The Tinkerman” because of his inability to pick 11 players and stick with them. We set about studying whether this helped or hindered his team.

    How did we measure this? By looking at the percentage of the time his, and other teams', top 11 players were on the pitch on average. The lower the average percentage for each side, the less consistent their team selection.

    We then tried to see whether there was a relationship between this number and the number of points the teams gained. We took account of the money each team had and then did our calculation.

    Well, well, well. It turned out that inconsistency was a bad idea. And we've just repeated that work for the last few seasons and demonstrated that it remains a bad idea. How bad? It was about a third as important as the wage bill. In other words - pretty important.

    Then, a couple of weeks ago, we decided to return to the subject. Rafael Benítez is being accused of rotating his players too much. Just using our old Ranieri analysis, one might conclude that this was a bad thing. But was using this old analysis and applying it to Benítez the right thing to do? Dr Henry Stott and Dr Ian Graham decided it was not.

    The accusation against Benítez is not that Liverpool don't use their top XI enough over a season, it is that he darts around from game to game, resting players for a match or two.

    You can measure that behaviour by looking at how many players on average are the same in one game from the game before. And when you do, you can see that consistency and rotation are related but not the same thing. Last season, for instance, Aston Villa rotated very little but had an averagely consistent team selection, while Chelsea were the opposite. Liverpool? Averagely consistent, rotated a lot.

    What happens when you look at rotation and its relationship with performance? The first step is to find out which clubs rotate a lot and which rotate little. The graphic shows last season's measure. The fewer the number of players left unchanged from match to match on average, the greater the amount of rotation.

    And as can be seen, Liverpool are at the top end with Manchester United and Chelsea, but are not the biggest rotators. Indeed, any statistician used to dealing with means will observe that the differences between them are within the margin of error - essentially that they are the same.

    Next we related the rotation measure to points gained, again taking the wage bill into account. And what do we find? That rotation is related to gaining more points, not fewer. How strong is this relationship? Well, a few years back pretty strong. More recently the wage bill has become such a strong determinant of success that the impact of rotation, while still positive, has become less important.

    You need a balance. You don't want to be inconsistent (as Ranieri was), you need a top 11 playing a good deal of the time, but you do want to rotate (as Rafa does).

    Rotation has been identified as a culprit when teams lose, but it is not to blame. United rotated more than Liverpool last term and won the title.

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    #2
    well I suppose it does help if you are roatating, you have quality players to bring in.
    Also, when you're winning, noone mentions any problems with rotation, but as soon as there is a blip the whoe **** house is kicked in.


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      #3
      I think the key thing is and has always been judging when and whom to rotate and what changes to the system played to make. For me Rafa usually makes good decisions but sometimes he just makes some baffling ones which I think have cost us at times.

      Part of the problem for me has been that when injuries have enforced changes we haven't stopped rotating elsewhere to ensure some sort of consistency. Other than that the mental Reading formation is the only time I have felt that the selection has been genuinely poorly handled. Some times gambles haven't paid off but that has happened to United and Arsenal this season too.
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        #4
        true, sometimes Rafa just rotates just for the hell of it.
        But i think, injuries permitting, he has a spine of a side-Reina, Carra, Agger, Mascher, Gerrard and Torres. It almost seems the rest of the side is just chopped about. I must say though, I do think Rafas latest formation (4-2-3-1) is working well for us


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          #5
          I think that has always been his preferred formation but some players form and the absence of Xabi and Agger in particular have made it too defensive. Also key i shaving pace from deep which Babel has started to use with intelligence on the break. I think it is no coincidence we have seen Kuyt's form improve when he has been given an easy to hit outlet from deep and another player occupying the oppositions thoughts defensively.

          I wouldn't say that Rafa rotates for the hell of it but I think sometimes he is unwilling to change things he has planned to account for changing circumstances. It should be the job of an assistant to counter such tendencies and I get the feeling this is something we have lacked this season (obviously this may be a complete miss-reading of the situation).
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            #6
            Rotation is bull****. It helps us push for the Champions league at the end of the year because we have nothing left to fight for in the league as we've dropped so many points earlier on.

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              #7
              Originally posted by dww View Post
              I think that has always been his preferred formation but some players form and the absence of Xabi and Agger in particular have made it too defensive. Also key i shaving pace from deep which Babel has started to use with intelligence on the break. I think it is no coincidence we have seen Kuyt's form improve when he has been given an easy to hit outlet from deep and another player occupying the oppositions thoughts defensively.

              I wouldn't say that Rafa rotates for the hell of it but I think sometimes he is unwilling to change things he has planned to account for changing circumstances. It should be the job of an assistant to counter such tendencies and I get the feeling this is something we have lacked this season (obviously this may be a complete miss-reading of the situation).
              i think he has an idea about burnout and fitness of players and rotates them with a longer term picture in mind, rather than a short term view.
              Look at Utd yesterday, Rooney and Ronaldo were "rotated" in order to keep them a bit more fresh for the next few weeks and no one batted an eyelid as they won and also had the quality to step in for them.


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                #8
                The problem with rotation is that the squad is not strong enough. Replacing Torres w/Crouch, Babel w/Kewell. It is not an indictment of rotation but of the depth of the squad.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SpeedyG View Post
                  The problem with rotation is that the squad is not strong enough. Replacing Torres w/Crouch, Babel w/Kewell. It is not an indictment of rotation but of the depth of the squad.
                  my point exactly.


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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Parm View Post
                    my point exactly.
                    Yeah, I kind of stole it
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by SpeedyG View Post
                      Yeah, I kind of stole it
                      you turn your back for one min.....


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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Parm View Post
                        i think he has an idea about burnout and fitness of players and rotates them with a longer term picture in mind, rather than a short term view.
                        Look at Utd yesterday, Rooney and Ronaldo were "rotated" in order to keep them a bit more fresh for the next few weeks and no one batted an eyelid as they won and also had the quality to step in for them.
                        I think the thing is though that you have to balance things correctly. The league is key and we need to keep at least a team pattern between games which is also at least a medium term concern. Unlike United we don't have the fear factor without our top players. If we are honest this season Babel has done little better than Nani who is a mere reserve at United so quality is still an issue.
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                          #13
                          Rafa don't rotate the players that is good enough if they are fit. He didn't do that at Valencia and he hasn't done that here.
                          Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                          According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                            #14
                            He has rotated Torres this season at times though.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by dww View Post
                              He has rotated Torres this season at times though.
                              Not when he has been fit in the league or the CL.
                              Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                              According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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