Sheik Mohammed/DIC Go Shopping Again

[CJ]

i wish we didnt need to through money at it.

the problem is while we can sign Very good players and the odd playerr in the level above that. Chavs and scum can buy outspend us. the problem is the difference bettween a messi/ kaka and say someone from the elvel lower is huge in cash terms. Now you can get roudn it bu buying them young (like Asre and hopefully Rafa is trying)

In simple terms as i got bored writing that. the few players we need to really push are hugely expensive. plus a new ground will be hence it hasnt been built yet.

We do need significant investment in terms of funds. but in terms of what we actually buy it wont be many players just a couple of really really good ones

does that make sense?

[Skillz]

i wish we didnt need to through money at it.

the problem is while we can sign Very good players and the odd playerr in the level above that. Chavs and scum can buy outspend us. the problem is the difference bettween a messi/ kaka and say someone from the elvel lower is huge in cash terms. Now you can get roudn it bu buying them young (like Asre and hopefully Rafa is trying)

In simple terms as i got bored writing that. the few players we need to really push are hugely expensive. plus a new ground will be hence it hasnt been built yet.

We do need significant investment in terms of funds. but in terms of what we actually buy it wont be many players just a couple of really really good ones

does that make sense?

[Stevie G]"now your just taking the piss"[Stevie G]

[CJ]

how am i taking the piss?

[Kenneth]

But this is in the wrong forum though.

[MattB]

lol dont worry. the question is mainly aimed at AF.

I would love it if they threw money at us. i doubt they will. yes they will allow better investment than moores or the yanks. (or we hope they will) but they want something out of it.

Just looking at their website (DIC) and they own a stake in Sony. Can see some fit in with them. TV Playstation opportunities maybe. but cant see LFC having a bearing on such a big corp. Plus its only a stake.

They own alliance medical, A company called almatic. couldnt be bthered reading more

however I really CANT see how LFC will increase the value of those companies.

I'm with you there mate. Adding a prestige brand to the portfolio does not make the other investments more profitable or increase their value, but it does enhance the overall DIC brand which might in turn have a bearing on future investments.

I'm yet to hear a reasonable explanation of this theory about increasing the value of other investments

[CJ]

Thanks Matt

I though i might just be going mad.
i think it is just mentioned to back up that they will through money at us and not expect a return.

[MattB]

i think it is just mentioned to back up that they will through money at us and not expect a return.

Probably, but I just don't buy that either. Don't get me wrong, I want Hicks out, but I'm not about to make the same mistake twice by believing they are in it for any other reason than to make money. There are some valid reasons why they would be better than Hicks et al, but I'd be surprised if the model is radically different - they are, after all, an investment company

[CJ]

well i have found someone who agrees with me !!

i think the difference is that DIC have more funds to invest. It could mean that they will put more money in and there fore expect the return to be quicker.

but its only what I think.

[Lecter]

DIC would only own us on paper. In reality it would be the Sheikh who decides how much DIC will spend on new players and so on.

How do you work that out?

[Lecter]

I know that DIC is owned by shareholders but it's the Sheihk that has the final say.

We would more or less be his plaything, like it or not, when it comes down to how much money we spend. We won't be run to make a profit. DIC will run us with a loss to make the DIC portfolio worth more.

Think big, think bigger. That is what they will do.

For example, if Rafa, or whatever manager they want, want Aguero and Atletico say that they want £35m for him then the manager will get the £35m to sign him.

That is what I have been told.

I think you are blurring the lines a bit here AFII

DIC is the sovereign investment company for the Dubai government of which Makhtoum is the head of

So whilst any major decisions can be deferred to him (and he can step in and pull the plug on deals at any time) I dont see DIC buying us making us the Sheikhs plaything it doesnt work like that imo

I do agree that DIC want us to compliment their portfolio

[CJ]

How do you work that out?

he has been told. I was once told the world was ending (think it was about 10 years ago)

That was balls too.

[MattB]

Found the below on an investment blog. Highlighted the relevant points in bold... Seems to suggest that deals are rarely debt based and that the aim is, you guessed it, maximising profit. Taken together though, that's fine by me, because the initial investment cost is a red herring - all they are doing is converting sovereign wealth into assets (e.g. LFC). If they do their job propery, they increase the value of that asset over time (thereby increasing the sovereign wealth) and get to cream off the profits in the meantime. The only question is how much they would be willing to commit to ongoing investment in order to make that strategy work

In these tight-fisted times, private equity firms have learned to love the rich flows of capital that come through sovereign wealth funds; many SWFs are big investors in private equity funds and have helped drive the fundraising boom of recent years. But those same sovereign wealth funds are putting their own money into deals, which means they could also be growing competitors to private equity firms.

What few people know is that SWFs including the Government of Singapore Investment Corp. and Dubai Holdings, also have their own private equity arms that put money directly into deals. Singapore has GIC Special Investments, and Dubai Holdings has Dubai International Capital. More SWFs are expected to launch their own buyout units to get more profits directly without funneling rich management fees to private equity firms.

[Fiddy]

Seems to me this guy wants to take over the world...

And AF wants to make sure he's in the back seat for the ride

[kop-al-74]

Seems to me this guy wants to take over the world...

And AF wants to make sure he's in the back seat for the ride

Nope,he doesn't want that.He wants Dubai to be the best place to live,work and play in the world.

For him to achieve that,he needs to have his fingers in alot of pie's,which he has.

He doesn't do failure.He will not settle for 2nd best in any aspect.

When DIC owns Liverpool,they will not be short of anything to reach their goal,and thats success.

AF is right,think big,then think bigger.

[Zambian_Red]

Nope,he doesn't want that.He wants Dubai to be the best place to live,work and play in the world.

For him to achieve that,he needs to have his fingers in alot of pie's,which he has.

He doesn't do failure.He will not settle for 2nd best in any aspect.

When DIC owns Liverpool,they will not be short of anything to reach their goal,and thats success.

AF is right,think big,then think bigger.

Totally agree with you mates. If anyone watched the program 60 minutes the Shiekh clearly explains that he wants to be number one in everything such as Hospitals, Schools, Construction, Hotels, Financial Hub as most top financial institutions are based in duabi now as well as not to forget his passion on racing horses as he explains that its his hobby.

The presenter and fellow people interviewed in the programm mentioned that he will not settle for second best he wants the best to be number 1. With that vision i can see Liverpool FC in good hands and will make us a major powerhouse in world football. Just imagine the sponsorships and revenue skyrocket once we get rid of Carlsberg as muslims are prohibited in advertising alcohol.