gerrard as captain?

[pezzzer]

No comment.

gooner

[El Jefecito]

It does seem to me we do need a Souness/Kean type captain. Someone who gets players attention in important games. Mascherano was not listening to anyone last Sunday.

Having said that I dont think we have anyone better then Gerrard.

Those two are freaks, we're not likely to see their likes for at least a generation.

[Alan Key]

Yeah he's a goal machine with a fabulous eye for a through ball.

Well this is a big debate for a different thread. But Essien is a better attacker than Gerrard is defensively. SG is superb for the last ditch glorious challenge that will get highlighted by every man and his dog in the press. Consistent defensive qualities, in particular positioning? Not on your nelly. I'd love to get inside Rafa's head and find out what he truly thought of Stevie. He was absolutely convinced that he wasn't good enough to play in the centre to warrant leaving out another player and so played him on the left for much of last year. Poor results and media pressure were all that pushed him into the middle. Benitez, deep down does not rate Stevie's positional qualities.

In his true position Gerrard is as good as it gets, but THE complete midfielder. No chance.

[El Jefecito]

Well this is a big debate for a different thread. But Essien is a better attacker than Gerrard is defensively. SG is superb for the last ditch glorious challenge that will get highlighted by every man and his dog in the press. Consistent defensive qualities, in particular positioning? Not on your nelly. I'd love to get inside Rafa's head and find out what he truly thought of Stevie. He was absolutely convinced that he wasn't good enough to play in the centre to warrant leaving out another player and so played him on the left for much of last year. Poor results and media pressure were all that pushed him into the middle. Benitez, deep down does not rate Stevie's positional qualities.

In his true position Gerrard is as good as it gets, but THE complete midfielder. No chance.

Not it's not you are just hallucinating. There is NO debate to be had.

[pezzzer]

Well this is a big debate for a different thread. But Essien is a better attacker than Gerrard is defensively. SG is superb for the last ditch glorious challenge that will get highlighted by every man and his dog in the press. Consistent defensive qualities, in particular positioning? Not on your nelly. I'd love to get inside Rafa's head and find out what he truly thought of Stevie. He was absolutely convinced that he wasn't good enough to play in the centre to warrant leaving out another player and so played him on the left for much of last year. Poor results and media pressure were all that pushed him into the middle. Benitez, deep down does not rate Stevie's positional qualities.

In his true position Gerrard is as good as it gets, but THE complete midfielder. No chance.

you know better than rafa then?
stevie's record speaks for its self mate,
essien the COMPLETE midfielder

[El Jefecito]

you know better than rafa then?
stevie's record speaks for its self mate,
essien the COMPLETE midfielder

He's a WUM mate, ignore!

[Slinky Skills]

Gerrard is a fantastic player and still is and will always be a massive inspiration to the team and the fans.

However Carragher should have the armband now though. He deserves it, he has been a loyal servant to this club and has all the attributes to be a captain.

He's a leader, he's vocal and commands the respect of all the other players. Give it to Carra and let Gerrard continue to do what he does best.

Destroy teams and inspire those that are around him.

[El Jefecito]

Gerrard is a fantastic players and still is and will always be a massive inspiration to the team and the fans.

However Carragher should have the armband now though. He deserves it, he has been a loyal servant to this club and has all the attributes to be a captain.

He's a leader, he's vocal and commands the respect of all the other players. Give it to Carra and let Gerrard continue to do what he does best.

Destroy teams and inspire those that are around him.

Who has the armband is of secondary importance. If you are a real leader you will lead regardless, you can't help it.

[Slinky Skills]

Who has the armband is of secondary importance. If you are a real leader you will lead regardless, you can't help it.

Carragher's a leader on and off the pitch bud. We can all hear him screaming when the game is on, we've also read what he's like in the dressing room.

He'd be perfectly suited for this role.

[Nic83]

Well this is a big debate for a different thread. But Essien is a better attacker than Gerrard is defensively. SG is superb for the last ditch glorious challenge that will get highlighted by every man and his dog in the press. Consistent defensive qualities, in particular positioning? Not on your nelly. I'd love to get inside Rafa's head and find out what he truly thought of Stevie. He was absolutely convinced that he wasn't good enough to play in the centre to warrant leaving out another player and so played him on the left for much of last year. Poor results and media pressure were all that pushed him into the middle. Benitez, deep down does not rate Stevie's positional qualities.

In his true position Gerrard is as good as it gets, but THE complete midfielder. No chance.

The MOST complete midfielder meaning if you add up how good he is as every aspect of a midfield role, he outweighs everyone else. Obviously noone can be brilliant in all areas. But Essien is seriously deficient in quite a few areas to be a challenger to Gerrard as 'the most complete midfilder'. A top quality midfielder though, yes he is.

[El Jefecito]

Carragher's a leader on and off the pitch bud. We can all hear him screaming when the game is on, we've also read what he's like in the dressing room.

He'd be perfectly suited for this role.

He LEADS the back four, but defers to SG for the other 6. If he became the leader for the front 6 we would be sorted, but he defers to SG

[Red Chilli]

With Gerrard as captain we've won ****loads.

He can't be a **** captain and still inspire a team to all the successes we've had IMO.

I hark back to the great teams I remember, Phil Neale was captain under Fagan and he was very quiet on the pitch from what I recall.

Hansen was captain under Kenny, when the most vocal/competitive player on the pitch was often McMahon.

I think there's more to being a captain than being vocal and shouting at players, Carra is going to be vocal and is going to command respect whether he's captain or not so I don't see what we achieve by making him captain.

[Slinky Skills]

With Gerrard as captain we've won ****loads.

He can't be a **** captain and still inspire a team to all the successes we've had IMO.

I hark back to the great teams I remember, Phil Neale was captain under Fagan and he was very quiet on the pitch from what I recall.

Hansen was captain under Kenny, when the most vocal/competitive player on the pitch was often McMahon.



I think there's more to being a captain than being vocal and shouting at players, Carra is going to be vocal and is going to command respect whether he's captain or not so I don't see what we achieve by making him captain.

Don't get me wrong guys I'm not saying that Stevie's a **** captain, the guy is a legend and is my hero but I don't feel he's cut out to be a captain.

There's too much responsibilty on his shoulders being talisman amongst everything else. People expect him to be superhuman and rescue the club single handedly but he can't.

It's not fair on him or the team. If he was relived of the duty the pressue would be off him. I don't agree that you don't have to vocal to be captain. It does help to be vocal, if the team is too quiet and doesn't get a good shouting at then they won't know what the ****s going on.

[Red Chilli]

Don't get me wrong guys I'm not saying that Stevie's a **** captain, the guy is a legend and is my hero but I don't feel he's cut out to be a captain.

There's too much responsibilty on his shoulders being talisman amongst everything else. People expect him to be superhuman and rescue the club single handedly but he can't.

It's not fair on him or the team. If he was relived of the duty the pressue would be off him. I don't agree that you don't have to vocal to be captain. It does help to be vocal, if the team is too quiet and doesn't get a good shouting at then they won't know what the ****s going on.

My point was that Carra will be vocal and shout at the players whether he's captain or not.
If the captain has to be the one shouting all the time how do you explain Neal and Hansen?

[pezzzer]

dont get me wrong boys, i'm not saying gerrard is a **** captain, but just maybe,maybe not a great one.

if there is someone else on the team that can do a better captains job then surely we should consider it?

we've got a great squad so maybe we need a great motivator on the pitch, is stevie that?