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    Trouble at the Academy?

    I've read rumours on some other forums that ALL of the coaching staff at the Academy have been sacked. Has anyone heard anything about this? Is there any truth in it? Results since Christmas have been awful though so it might be true.

    There's also this blog post from the TLW that might highlight some possible problems there.

    Trouble with the kids

    Two wins in eleven league games since the turn of the year. A disappointing return for Liverpool’s U18s side, but anyone who has watched the team recently will know that Liverpool can have no complaints about the results. The performances have been extremely poor.

    I see several things as contributing factors to this alarming development. One is that the organisation at the academy seems to still be up in the air. For instance, at Wednesday’s game at Manchester City you had Hughie McAuley on the bench giving instructions while Piet Hamberg and his assistant were in the stands doing the same. And given the fact that they aren’t shouting the same instructions, who are the lads supposed to listen to? Where is the overall game plan? Is it just to work hard and show commitment? I honestly think the players aren’t sure.

    Coaching staff at the academy may still have worries about whether or not they are going to be kept on for next season as the Dutchman gets to grip with life at the academy. And undoubtedly this affects training and the general mood around the players. Imagine your boss going round moping or worrying over losing his/her job. You’d pick up on it in no time and it has an immediate effect on the learning environment.

    Players certainly look like they aren’t enjoying their football at the moment and morale seems at a low point as we head towards the end of the season. In games nobody shouts encouragement and there is no sign of team spirit in the side. Nobody plays with that smile on their faces or that spring in their step. You can tell when a player is enjoying himself, but nobody is. Actually, I tell a lie as Lauri Dalla Valle was the exception when he came on for his U18s debut in the game at City. He was the only one to crack a smile.

    It’s almost like they would rather be somewhere else, but who would want their job to be anywhere else than on a football pitch? We’re dealing with young boys of 16 and 17 years of age. They are not machines, and they are not experienced professionals. They are kids and it is hard to blame them for letting outside influences affect them. When even Steven Gerrard admits that off the field problems had an effect on the first team earlier in the season, how can these kids be expected to be any different? Certainly, several of them seem to have been halted in their development.

    Team spirit also seems to be extremely low and I don’t know if the players don’t like each other or whatever it is. Marvin Pourie, however, seems particularly unpopular as he is extremely single-minded on the pitch. Earlier in the season he had arguments with Michael Collins on the pitch, but a defining moment was when he grabbed the ball from Nathan Eccleston to take a penalty against Everton. His team mates looked like they were almost celebrating when he missed!

    If he is allowed to play that way, it is only natural that some of the others will be the same with him. But shouldn’t that be dealt with by the coaching staff? If I can see this simply by watching the team every fortnight or so, surely they can as well?

    On Wednesday, the team was passed off the park by an admittedly good City side who are in this year’s FA Youth Cup final. But considering that the academy has brought in players from Germany, Sweden, Denmark and from other clubs in the UK, probably at great expense, shouldn’t we be able to compete with them? And shouldn’t we expect to beat the Derby Counties, Stokes and Huddersfields?

    Another contributing factor, I’m sure, is that none of the players know what is going to happen to them next season. Will they be moved to Melwood, where they already have far too many players (and loads more to come back from loan spells), or stay at the academy for another season? Or will they be getting their contracts paid up like Michael Collins? They don’t know.

    It was obvious to anyone watching Wednesday’s game that tactically, Man City were by far the better team. They passed it crisply, they were patient, and they played it from one side to the other. And they looked for space between our midfield and defence. When they found it, they played the ball sensibly to players making dangerous runs. They created a string of good chances and should have won the game comfortably in the end.

    In contrast, Liverpool’s attacks were a lesson in what not to do when in possession. And they have been in almost every game I have seen in the last few months.

    Typically, one player will move forward with the ball until facing an opponent. He will then wait until there is no other option available to him than to pass it. However, at that point the player he is giving it to will have had to check his run or stop completely, so when he gets it, he is stood still. In other words, you lose any kind of fluidity in your play, and it makes going past players much more difficult.

    And when you attack like that, it becomes relatively easy even for ordinary sides to defend against. All you need to do is be organised and put pressure on the player with the ball. And that’s what those aforementioned sides have been doing against us with such great success.

    But if spectators can see this, I’m sure the staff can too. If not, it really is an alarming situation for the academy players.

    Individually, we are talking about a talented group of players – not as good as some make out, however – and they can’t be blamed for everything because they can only respond to a situation. I’d like to see evidence that players are trying to stick to a more well-defined game plan and losing would be easier to take.

    Move the ball around, play it earlier to each other, and work to find space. Use your individual skills to make each other look better. Be a team. If there is a game plan now, then I assume it’s not what the players are doing on the pitch. But then we must deal with that problem.

    It really is that simple. If “amateur” spectators can spot this, staff can too.

    For months they haven’t been playing as a team at all, and Hamberg, Owens, Elias and McAuley will have to spend some serious time getting to the root of it.

    Is it just that this year’s group, socially, does not work well together as a unit? Or is there something fundamentally wrong with the organisation following Steve Heighway’s exit last summer. If it is the latter, then it really needs to be addressed in the summer one way or the other before we waste another year and lose out on other potential targets who will be unwilling to join an academy in turmoil.

    The players look stressed, and they don’t seem to enjoy football at all. It really is strange because at this age they should be raring to go and raring to learn. Instead, it seems like a get-up-early-Monday-morning slog for them.

    Last game of the season is a trip to Leeds this weekend and then I believe there is a trip to America on the horizon. But the boys will be desperate for a break from it all.

    http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/blog/?p=158

    #2
    thought hamberg had total control over the academy??
    "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

    "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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      #3
      He's supposed to. Seems the trouble might be with the coaches not listening to what he's telling them. If that's the case then he'll have to get rid and bring in his own people.

      I think Hamberg's job is more office based at the moment. He deals more with the running of the academy than actual training. If the coaches aren't following instructions they'll have to go.
      Last edited by MindGuerrillas; 28-04-08, 04:49 PM.

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        #4
        agreed
        "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

        "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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          #5
          Shambles.

          Another shambles.
          Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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            #6
            Some more quotes from Dave Usher over at TLW about this.

            Heard tonight that five coaches have been binned, but I don't know any more than that or who they are, what age groups they coach etc
            At the moment no changes to u16 and u18. Don't know if that will change or not though. Several scouts not having their contracts renewed either.

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              #7
              Originally posted by MindGuerrillas View Post
              Some more quotes from Dave Usher over at TLW about this.
              Strange seeing as though Rafa only came out last week praising his scouts for their woderful work - perhaps it's certain areas / regions that they are unhappy about?
              At a football club there's a holy trinity- the players the manager and the supporters, Directors dont come into it, they are only there to sign the cheques " - Bill Shankly

              If only

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                #8
                Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                Shambles.

                Another shambles.
                Didn't see this coming, thought that area of the club was all moving along in the right direction, Rafa obviously not happy with something.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by homer1 View Post
                  Strange seeing as though Rafa only came out last week praising his scouts for their woderful work - perhaps it's certain areas / regions that they are unhappy about?
                  Maybe he was talking about scout for the senior players and to tie in with the supposed sacking of these coaches some youth level scouts have gone?

                  Got to say it's disappointing to see few home grown players making it, looking at the reserves i can't see the next Gerrard, Fowler or Owen (as in English / British players, excluding Nemeth etc)
                  We come not to play.

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                    #10
                    I suspect we have a great many scouts!
                    Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by homer1 View Post
                      Strange seeing as though Rafa only came out last week praising his scouts for their woderful work - perhaps it's certain areas / regions that they are unhappy about?
                      I don't think that this is mainly about the scouts. The complaints don't seem to be about the players but rather the coaching they're receiving. Perhaps they are still in the 'Heighway' mode of coaching, focusing on building a team, rather than the new way which is supposed to be about developing the individual. If they're stuck in their ways and refusing to do as Hamberg says then we'll need to change them. The report on the TLW says that at the games the players are getting two different sets of instructions from the staff, one set from the coach and another from Hamberg. It's no wonder that results have tailed off if that is indeed the case.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by MindGuerrillas View Post
                        I don't think that this is mainly about the scouts. The complaints don't seem to be about the players but rather the coaching they're receiving. Perhaps they are still in the 'Heighway' mode of coaching, focusing on building a team, rather than the new way which is supposed to be about developing the individual. If they're stuck in their ways and refusing to do as Hamberg says then we'll need to change them. The report on the TLW says that at the games the players are getting two different sets of instructions from the staff, one set from the coach and another from Hamberg. It's no wonder that results have tailed off if that is indeed the case.
                        Fully appreciate it seems mainly to do with the coaching, I was just commenting on Usher's comments about several scouts not having their contracts renewed also
                        At a football club there's a holy trinity- the players the manager and the supporters, Directors dont come into it, they are only there to sign the cheques " - Bill Shankly

                        If only

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by homer1 View Post
                          Fully appreciate it seems mainly to do with the coaching, I was just commenting on Usher's comments about several scouts not having their contracts renewed also

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                            Shambles.

                            Another shambles.
                            babyshambles
                            "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                            "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                              #15
                              I thought that Elias bloke was the bees knees? We seem to have a couple of gems in the Academy so I hope it gets sorted asap.
                              "I watched the Champions League quarter-finals and the way they crushed Arsenal. Only the greatest and the best can play such a match.
                              The Future is Red!

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