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YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The most boring debate of all time. Ferguson has been a fantastic manager. To not give credit where it's due is to discredit the average Liverpudlian's understanding of the game. Ten PLs FFS!!
With almost unlimited funding,Fergie unlevelled the playing field with huge expediture.Shanks and Paisley were great managers at a time when the playing field was level.
With almost unlimited funding,Fergie unlevelled the playing field with huge expediture.Shanks and Paisley were great managers at a time when the playing field was level.
Paisley and Shanks were great men and managers at a time when, as you point out, there was far more competition. Liverpool always paid big money for players. The amounts paid for St John, Lawrenson, Rush, Saunders, Beardsley and lots of others were all massive fees at the time.
As I said in my original post I find this to be an extremely tedious subject. Who can possibly know how AF would have fared in the 60s & 70s and vice versa with Shanks and the present day. They came from diifferent eras. But most tedious of all is to have to read that Ferguson's achievements are hollow and that he simply bought success. Tell that to the Old Firm fans of the 80s. I will now ignore this thread.
I have one word to offer - honesty. I couldn't be devious if I tried. Joe Fagan.
YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The most boring debate of all time. Ferguson has been a fantastic manager. To not give credit where it's due is to discredit the average Liverpudlian's understanding of the game. Ten PLs FFS!!
Not disputing Ferguson's record but Paisley won 6 titles in 9 years and Ferguson won 10 titles in 22 years. Ferguson's record is great but Paisley's is phenomenal!
The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.
. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
Not disputing Ferguson's record but Paisley won 6 titles in 9 years and Ferguson won 10 titles in 22 years. Ferguson's record is great but Paisley's is phenomenal!
Hear! Hear! No contest!
Nobody would sensibly dispute that Ferguson is a great manager but as Exiled Red says, if you're arguing who is the greatest, the stats say Bob quite comfortably.
Paisley and Shanks were great men and managers at a time when, as you point out, there was far more competition. Liverpool always paid big money for players. The amounts paid for St John, Lawrenson, Rush, Saunders, Beardsley and lots of others were all massive fees at the time. As I said in my original post I find this to be an extremely tedious subject. Who can possibly know how AF would have fared in the 60s & 70s and vice versa with Shanks and the present day. They came from diifferent eras. But most tedious of all is to have to read that Ferguson's achievements are hollow and that he simply bought success. Tell that to the Old Firm fans of the 80s. I will now ignore this thread.
Not strictly true. In the 70s and early 80s we were more likely to sign a player and put him in the reserves for at least a season. The players you mention were all signed from "small" clubs
"With Ron Yeats in defence, we could play Arthur Askey in goal."
. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
Alot of people don't seem to realise the impact that Ferguson had on Scottish football. He took a small provincial club to the hights of European football. He along with Jim McLean broke the Old Firm homogeny of Scottish football.
Those achievements coupled with what he's done with Manchester United, imo, put him above any other British manager.
I honestly think what "Sir" Bill did for us was the greatest achievement by a manager at our football club. The only competition is Busby at the mancs, after Munich n all that. Don't give me this Fergusoin
1. Sir Matt Busby 2. Bill Shankley
3. Bob Paisley
4. Sir Alex Ferguson
5. Brian Clough
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